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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
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	<title>Parenting by Grace</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by counselor and author Jonathan Holmes to talk about how parents can help their children build their identity in Christ rather than in performance or feelings. They discuss the cultural pressures shaping identity today, the importance of discipling children in the home, and how parents can model the gospel in everyday conversations and moments. Jonathan also offers encouragement for parents who feel like they are failing, reminding them that God meets us in our weakness and faithfully helps us as we seek to point our children to Him.]]></description>
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	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by counselor and author Jonathan Holmes to talk about how parents can help their children build their identity in Christ rather than in performance or feelings. They discuss the cultural pressures shaping identity today, the importance of discipling children in the home, and how parents can model the gospel in everyday conversations and moments. Jonathan also offers encouragement for parents who feel like they are failing, reminding them that God meets us in our weakness and faithfully helps us as we seek to point our children to Him.]]></content:encoded>
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	<title>God&#8217;s Design for Parenting</title>
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	<title>Bringing It All Together: Your Marriage Questions Answered</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2025 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Together, the Norrises highlight the importance of commitment, self-denial, and the pursuit of God in marriage, offering insights and encouragement for couples at various stages of their relationships.]]></description>
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Together, the Norrises highlight the importance of commitment, self-denial, and the pursuit of God in marriage, offering insights and encouragement for couples at various stages of their relationships.]]></content:encoded>
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Together, the Norrises highlight the importance of commitment, self-denial, and the pursuit of God in marriage, offering insights and encouragement for couples at various stages of their relationships.]]></itunes:summary>
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Together, the Norrises highlight the importance of commitment, self-denial, and the pursuit of God in marriage, offering insights and encouragement for couples at various stages of their relationships.]]></googleplay:description>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
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	<title>Marriage, Counseling, and the Church</title>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome Will and Cathy Chang, members of Perimeter Church. They talk about the vital role of counseling and community in strengthening marriages. Together, they share honest insights on why seeking help is a sign of wisdom, not weakness, and how God uses His church to bring healing, growth, and lasting connection within marriage.

Scripture References:
Proverbs 11:14, Galatians 6:2, 
Ephesians 4:2–3.

Related Resources: 
Explore Perimeter Counseling for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling (perimetercounseling.org).]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome Will and Cathy Chang, members of Perimeter Church. They talk about the vital role of counseling and community in strengthening marriages. Together, they share honest insights on]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Marriage, Counseling, and the Church]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome Will and Cathy Chang, members of Perimeter Church. They talk about the vital role of counseling and community in strengthening marriages. Together, they share honest insights on why seeking help is a sign of wisdom, not weakness, and how God uses His church to bring healing, growth, and lasting connection within marriage.

Scripture References:
Proverbs 11:14, Galatians 6:2, 
Ephesians 4:2–3.

Related Resources: 
Explore Perimeter Counseling for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling (perimetercounseling.org).]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome Will and Cathy Chang, members of Perimeter Church. They talk about the vital role of counseling and community in strengthening marriages. Together, they share honest insights on why seeking help is a sign of wisdom, not weakness, and how God uses His church to bring healing, growth, and lasting connection within marriage.

Scripture References:
Proverbs 11:14, Galatians 6:2, 
Ephesians 4:2–3.

Related Resources: 
Explore Perimeter Counseling for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling (perimetercounseling.org).]]></itunes:summary>
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Scripture References:
Proverbs 11:14, Galatians 6:2, 
Ephesians 4:2–3.

Related Resources: 
Explore Perimeter Counseling for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling (perimetercounseling.org).]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
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<item>
	<title>Pursuing Oneness in Sex and Money</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/pursuing-oneness-in-sex-and-money/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2025 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome authors Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn. They dive into the heart of marriage—unpacking how money, intimacy, and communication often reveal deeper emotional currents. They share how financial tension can mask unspoken hurt, how intimacy is more than physical connection, and how open conversation begins the healing process. With genuine transparency and gospel-rooted insight, they also explore how hidden trauma impacts relationships and how seeking support through counseling and community can lead couples into greater freedom and wholeness together. 

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's ministry, books, and courses at shaunti.com.

Visit SecretsOfSexAndMarriage.com for referral resources to find trained Christian sex therapists (including telehealth options).

Explore Perimeter Counseling (perimetercounseling.org) for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome authors Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn. They dive into the heart of marriage—unpacking how money, intimacy, and communication often reveal deeper emotional currents. They share how f]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Pursuing Oneness in Sex and Money]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome authors Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn. They dive into the heart of marriage—unpacking how money, intimacy, and communication often reveal deeper emotional currents. They share how financial tension can mask unspoken hurt, how intimacy is more than physical connection, and how open conversation begins the healing process. With genuine transparency and gospel-rooted insight, they also explore how hidden trauma impacts relationships and how seeking support through counseling and community can lead couples into greater freedom and wholeness together. 

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's ministry, books, and courses at shaunti.com.

Visit SecretsOfSexAndMarriage.com for referral resources to find trained Christian sex therapists (including telehealth options).

Explore Perimeter Counseling (perimetercounseling.org) for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington welcome authors Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn. They dive into the heart of marriage—unpacking how money, intimacy, and communication often reveal deeper emotional currents. They share how financial tension can mask unspoken hurt, how intimacy is more than physical connection, and how open conversation begins the healing process. With genuine transparency and gospel-rooted insight, they also explore how hidden trauma impacts relationships and how seeking support through counseling and community can lead couples into greater freedom and wholeness together. 

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's ministry, books, and courses at shaunti.com.

Visit SecretsOfSexAndMarriage.com for referral resources to find trained Christian sex therapists (including telehealth options).

Explore Perimeter Counseling (perimetercounseling.org) for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling.]]></itunes:summary>
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Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's ministry, books, and courses at shaunti.com.

Visit SecretsOfSexAndMarriage.com for referral resources to find trained Christian sex therapists (including telehealth options).

Explore Perimeter Counseling (perimetercounseling.org) for Christ-centered, clinically informed counseling.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Words That Build: Speaking Life to Your Spouse</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/words-that-build-speaking-life-to-your-spouse/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2025 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with Dave and Ann Wilson, renowned hosts of Family Life Today. The Wilsons share their journey of more than 45 years of marriage, including struggles, realizations, and the importance of faith. They discuss how to speak life into your spouse, the power of words, and the significance of a vertical relationship with God. We pray this conversation shares hope and encouragement for those facing challenges in their marriage.

Additional Resources: Learn more about Ann and Dave’s ministry at FamilyLife (familylife.com). 
Do you need to reconnect with your spouse? Discover a Weekend to Remember and check out 2026 retreat dates across the US at familylife.com/weekend-to-remember.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with Dave and Ann Wilson, renowned hosts of Family Life Today. The Wilsons share their journey of more than 45 years of marriage, including struggles, realizations, and the importance of faith. T]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Words That Build: Speaking Life to Your Spouse]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with Dave and Ann Wilson, renowned hosts of Family Life Today. The Wilsons share their journey of more than 45 years of marriage, including struggles, realizations, and the importance of faith. They discuss how to speak life into your spouse, the power of words, and the significance of a vertical relationship with God. We pray this conversation shares hope and encouragement for those facing challenges in their marriage.

Additional Resources: Learn more about Ann and Dave’s ministry at FamilyLife (familylife.com). 
Do you need to reconnect with your spouse? Discover a Weekend to Remember and check out 2026 retreat dates across the US at familylife.com/weekend-to-remember.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/14465/words-that-build-speaking-life-to-your-spouse.mp3" length="87153600" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with Dave and Ann Wilson, renowned hosts of Family Life Today. The Wilsons share their journey of more than 45 years of marriage, including struggles, realizations, and the importance of faith. They discuss how to speak life into your spouse, the power of words, and the significance of a vertical relationship with God. We pray this conversation shares hope and encouragement for those facing challenges in their marriage.

Additional Resources: Learn more about Ann and Dave’s ministry at FamilyLife (familylife.com). 
Do you need to reconnect with your spouse? Discover a Weekend to Remember and check out 2026 retreat dates across the US at familylife.com/weekend-to-remember.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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		<title>Words That Build: Speaking Life to Your Spouse</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>00:36:19</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with Dave and Ann Wilson, renowned hosts of Family Life Today. The Wilsons share their journey of more than 45 years of marriage, including struggles, realizations, and the importance of faith. They discuss how to speak life into your spouse, the power of words, and the significance of a vertical relationship with God. We pray this conversation shares hope and encouragement for those facing challenges in their marriage.

Additional Resources: Learn more about Ann and Dave’s ministry at FamilyLife (familylife.com). 
Do you need to reconnect with your spouse? Discover a Weekend to Remember and check out 2026 retreat dates across the US at familylife.com/weekend-to-remember.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>The Grace Marriage: How the Gospel Transforms Your Marriage</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-grace-marriage-how-the-gospel-transforms-your-marriage/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2025 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Brad and Marilyn Rhoads join Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington to share how God’s grace transformed their marriage—from early struggles to renewed joy and intentionality. They talk about parenting, the shift to empty nesting, and how extending grace in everyday moments can bring healing and hope to your marriage and family.
Learn more about Brad and Marilyn’s ministry, The Grace Marriage, at gracemarriage.com.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Brad and Marilyn Rhoads join Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington to share how God’s grace transformed their marriage—from early struggles to renewed joy and intentionality. They talk about parenting, the shift to empty nesting, and how extending grace ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Grace Marriage: How the Gospel Transforms Your Marriage]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Brad and Marilyn Rhoads join Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington to share how God’s grace transformed their marriage—from early struggles to renewed joy and intentionality. They talk about parenting, the shift to empty nesting, and how extending grace in everyday moments can bring healing and hope to your marriage and family.
Learn more about Brad and Marilyn’s ministry, The Grace Marriage, at gracemarriage.com.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/14304/the-grace-marriage-how-the-gospel-transforms-your-marriage.mp3" length="82982400" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Brad and Marilyn Rhoads join Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington to share how God’s grace transformed their marriage—from early struggles to renewed joy and intentionality. They talk about parenting, the shift to empty nesting, and how extending grace in everyday moments can bring healing and hope to your marriage and family.
Learn more about Brad and Marilyn’s ministry, The Grace Marriage, at gracemarriage.com.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>The Grace Marriage: How the Gospel Transforms Your Marriage</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>00:34:35</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Brad and Marilyn Rhoads join Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington to share how God’s grace transformed their marriage—from early struggles to renewed joy and intentionality. They talk about parenting, the shift to empty nesting, and how extending grace in everyday moments can bring healing and hope to your marriage and family.
Learn more about Brad and Marilyn’s ministry, The Grace Marriage, at gracemarriage.com.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>The Mindful Marriage: Understanding “Me” for the Sake of “Us”</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-mindful-marriage-understanding-me-for-the-sake-of-us/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2025 11:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=14157</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, self-reflection, and personal growth shape the health of a marriage. Together, they unpack the coping patterns that can disrupt relationships and offer transformative steps toward healing and connection—reminding us that the gospel brings renewal to both the individual and the marriage.

Find full shownotes and resources on the episode page at perimeter.org/DiggingDeeper.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, sel]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Mindful Marriage: Understanding “Me” for the Sake of “Us”]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, self-reflection, and personal growth shape the health of a marriage. Together, they unpack the coping patterns that can disrupt relationships and offer transformative steps toward healing and connection—reminding us that the gospel brings renewal to both the individual and the marriage.

Find full shownotes and resources on the episode page at perimeter.org/DiggingDeeper.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/14157/the-mindful-marriage-understanding-me-for-the-sake-of-us.mp3" length="116525760" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, self-reflection, and personal growth shape the health of a marriage. Together, they unpack the coping patterns that can disrupt relationships and offer transformative steps toward healing and connection—reminding us that the gospel brings renewal to both the individual and the marriage.

Find full shownotes and resources on the episode page at perimeter.org/DiggingDeeper.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>The Mindful Marriage: Understanding “Me” for the Sake of “Us”</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>00:48:34</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this week’s episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with Ron and Nan Deal to talk about The Mindful Marriage and what it means to understand “me” for the sake of “us.” With honesty and wisdom, the Deals share how emotional baggage, self-reflection, and personal growth shape the health of a marriage. Together, they unpack the coping patterns that can disrupt relationships and offer transformative steps toward healing and connection—reminding us that the gospel brings renewal to both the individual and the marriage.

Find full shownotes and resources on the episode page at perimeter.org/DiggingDeeper.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>The Purpose of Marriage: Happiness or Holiness?</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-purpose-of-marriage-happiness-or-holiness/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2025 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=14006</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura engage with best-selling author Gary Thomas to uncover the deeper meaning of marriage—why holiness matters more than happiness. They discuss scriptural foundations, the role of accountability, and the refining power of marriage as a reflection of Christ’s union with the Church. With practical steps for navigating challenges and fostering growth, this conversation frames marriage as a sacred journey toward spiritual maturity.

Related Resources:

- Learn more about Gary Thomas’ writings and ministry at garythomas.com.
- Check out Gary’s best-selling book, Sacred Marriage.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura engage with best-selling author Gary Thomas to uncover the deeper meaning of marriage—why holiness matters more than happiness. They discuss scriptural foundations, the role of accountability, and the refining power of mar]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Purpose of Marriage: Happiness or Holiness? with Gary Chapman]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura engage with best-selling author Gary Thomas to uncover the deeper meaning of marriage—why holiness matters more than happiness. They discuss scriptural foundations, the role of accountability, and the refining power of marriage as a reflection of Christ’s union with the Church. With practical steps for navigating challenges and fostering growth, this conversation frames marriage as a sacred journey toward spiritual maturity.

Related Resources:

- Learn more about Gary Thomas’ writings and ministry at garythomas.com.
- Check out Gary’s best-selling book, Sacred Marriage.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/14006/the-purpose-of-marriage-happiness-or-holiness.mp3" length="87356136" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura engage with best-selling author Gary Thomas to uncover the deeper meaning of marriage—why holiness matters more than happiness. They discuss scriptural foundations, the role of accountability, and the refining power of marriage as a reflection of Christ’s union with the Church. With practical steps for navigating challenges and fostering growth, this conversation frames marriage as a sacred journey toward spiritual maturity.

Related Resources:

- Learn more about Gary Thomas’ writings and ministry at garythomas.com.
- Check out Gary’s best-selling book, Sacred Marriage.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>The Purpose of Marriage: Happiness or Holiness?</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>36:09</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura engage with best-selling author Gary Thomas to uncover the deeper meaning of marriage—why holiness matters more than happiness. They discuss scriptural foundations, the role of accountability, and the refining power of marriage as a reflection of Christ’s union with the Church. With practical steps for navigating challenges and fostering growth, this conversation frames marriage as a sacred journey toward spiritual maturity.

Related Resources:

- Learn more about Gary Thomas’ writings and ministry at garythomas.com.
- Check out Gary’s best-selling book, Sacred Marriage.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Bonus Episode: The Mission of Evangelism</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/bonus-episode-the-mission-of-evangelism/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2025 09:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=12351</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this bonus episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Andy Bannister, Director of Solas Centre for Public Christianity, to explore how evangelism can thrive in today’s complex cultural landscape. Together, they tackle common fears and misconceptions surrounding sharing the gospel. Andy offers practical strategies for overcoming barriers along with ways to spark meaningful spiritual conversations rooted in genuine curiosity.

Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.
Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this bonus episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Andy Bannister, Director of Solas Centre for Public Christianity, to explore how evangelism can thrive in today’s complex cultural landscape. Together, they tackle common fears and mis]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Bonus Episode: The Mission of Evangelism with Andy Bannister]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this bonus episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Andy Bannister, Director of Solas Centre for Public Christianity, to explore how evangelism can thrive in today’s complex cultural landscape. Together, they tackle common fears and misconceptions surrounding sharing the gospel. Andy offers practical strategies for overcoming barriers along with ways to spark meaningful spiritual conversations rooted in genuine curiosity.

Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.
Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/12351/bonus-episode-the-mission-of-evangelism.mp3" length="107500800" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this bonus episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Andy Bannister, Director of Solas Centre for Public Christianity, to explore how evangelism can thrive in today’s complex cultural landscape. Together, they tackle common fears and misconceptions surrounding sharing the gospel. Andy offers practical strategies for overcoming barriers along with ways to spark meaningful spiritual conversations rooted in genuine curiosity.

Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.
Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode12-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode12-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Bonus Episode: The Mission of Evangelism</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>44:47</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this bonus episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Andy Bannister, Director of Solas Centre for Public Christianity, to explore how evangelism can thrive in today’s complex cultural landscape. Together, they tackle common fears and misconceptions surrounding sharing the gospel. Andy offers practical strategies for overcoming barriers along with ways to spark meaningful spiritual conversations rooted in genuine curiosity.

Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.
Whether you're new to evangelism or looking to grow in confidence, this episode offers actionable steps to help you share your faith with clarity and compassion.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode12-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Season Reflections: Top 3 Takeaways with Jeff and Laura</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/season-reflections-top-3-takeaways-with-jeff-and-laura/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2025 09:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=12073</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this special episode, Jeff and Laura take a thoughtful pause to look back on this season, The Mission of the Church. They discuss the deep conversations, surprising revelations, and unforgettable guests and share their favorite moments. With ten compelling interviews behind them, they revisit the moments that challenged their perspectives, sparked big ideas, and lingered long after the recording stopped. Jeff and Laura share personal takeaways and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Whether you’ve been along for every episode or are just joining in, this is a heartfelt, inspiring close to a season that aimed to explore the core of The Mission of the Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this special episode, Jeff and Laura take a thoughtful pause to look back on this season, The Mission of the Church. They discuss the deep conversations, surprising revelations, and unforgettable guests and share their favorite moments. With ten compe]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Season Reflections: Top 3 Takeaways with Jeff and Laura]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this special episode, Jeff and Laura take a thoughtful pause to look back on this season, The Mission of the Church. They discuss the deep conversations, surprising revelations, and unforgettable guests and share their favorite moments. With ten compelling interviews behind them, they revisit the moments that challenged their perspectives, sparked big ideas, and lingered long after the recording stopped. Jeff and Laura share personal takeaways and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Whether you’ve been along for every episode or are just joining in, this is a heartfelt, inspiring close to a season that aimed to explore the core of The Mission of the Church.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/12073/season-reflections-top-3-takeaways-with-jeff-and-laura.mp3" length="88155840" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this special episode, Jeff and Laura take a thoughtful pause to look back on this season, The Mission of the Church. They discuss the deep conversations, surprising revelations, and unforgettable guests and share their favorite moments. With ten compelling interviews behind them, they revisit the moments that challenged their perspectives, sparked big ideas, and lingered long after the recording stopped. Jeff and Laura share personal takeaways and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Whether you’ve been along for every episode or are just joining in, this is a heartfelt, inspiring close to a season that aimed to explore the core of The Mission of the Church.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode11-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode11-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Season Reflections: Top 3 Takeaways with Jeff and Laura</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>36:43</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this special episode, Jeff and Laura take a thoughtful pause to look back on this season, The Mission of the Church. They discuss the deep conversations, surprising revelations, and unforgettable guests and share their favorite moments. With ten compelling interviews behind them, they revisit the moments that challenged their perspectives, sparked big ideas, and lingered long after the recording stopped. Jeff and Laura share personal takeaways and behind-the-scenes anecdotes. Whether you’ve been along for every episode or are just joining in, this is a heartfelt, inspiring close to a season that aimed to explore the core of The Mission of the Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode11-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Global Kingdom Mission Part 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/global-kingdom-mission-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=12074</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Today’s guest is Sandy Willson—pastor, author, and former interim president of The Gospel Coalition. Join us for a rich conversation about the mission of the church in today’s world. Drawing from decades of leadership and pastoral experience, Sandy offers wisdom on the vital balance between local ministry and global engagement. This episode is both an encouragement and a challenge to resist the pull of secularism and materialism and to live with gospel intentionality across generations.

Whether you're a church leader, a parent, or simply seeking to live more faithfully, this conversation will inspire you to think bigger, live bolder, and dig deeper into God’s global mission. Listen now and be stirred to live on mission—locally, globally, and generationally.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Today’s guest is Sandy Willson—pastor, author, and former interim president of The Gospel Coalition. Join us for a rich conversation about the mission of the church in today’s world. Drawing from decades of leadership and pastoral experience, Sandy offer]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Global Kingdom Mission, Pt. 2 with Sandy Willson]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Today’s guest is Sandy Willson—pastor, author, and former interim president of The Gospel Coalition. Join us for a rich conversation about the mission of the church in today’s world. Drawing from decades of leadership and pastoral experience, Sandy offers wisdom on the vital balance between local ministry and global engagement. This episode is both an encouragement and a challenge to resist the pull of secularism and materialism and to live with gospel intentionality across generations.

Whether you're a church leader, a parent, or simply seeking to live more faithfully, this conversation will inspire you to think bigger, live bolder, and dig deeper into God’s global mission. Listen now and be stirred to live on mission—locally, globally, and generationally.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/12074/global-kingdom-mission-part-2.mp3" length="103569600" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s guest is Sandy Willson—pastor, author, and former interim president of The Gospel Coalition. Join us for a rich conversation about the mission of the church in today’s world. Drawing from decades of leadership and pastoral experience, Sandy offers wisdom on the vital balance between local ministry and global engagement. This episode is both an encouragement and a challenge to resist the pull of secularism and materialism and to live with gospel intentionality across generations.

Whether you're a church leader, a parent, or simply seeking to live more faithfully, this conversation will inspire you to think bigger, live bolder, and dig deeper into God’s global mission. Listen now and be stirred to live on mission—locally, globally, and generationally.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>Global Kingdom Mission Part 2</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>43:09</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Today’s guest is Sandy Willson—pastor, author, and former interim president of The Gospel Coalition. Join us for a rich conversation about the mission of the church in today’s world. Drawing from decades of leadership and pastoral experience, Sandy offers wisdom on the vital balance between local ministry and global engagement. This episode is both an encouragement and a challenge to resist the pull of secularism and materialism and to live with gospel intentionality across generations.

Whether you're a church leader, a parent, or simply seeking to live more faithfully, this conversation will inspire you to think bigger, live bolder, and dig deeper into God’s global mission. Listen now and be stirred to live on mission—locally, globally, and generationally.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode10-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Global Kingdom Mission</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/global-kingdom-mission/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11843</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington dive into the mission of the church and God’s heart for His people with special guests Carl and K.A. Ellis. Together, they explore the challenges and triumphs of living out a mission-driven life, sharing wisdom, personal stories, and biblical insights that inspire and equip believers to make an impact. Listen as they unpack what it means to live with purpose, walk in faith, and engage in the work God has called us to. We hope this conversation will encourage you to step boldly into God's calling.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington dive into the mission of the church and God’s heart for His people with special guests Carl and K.A. Ellis. Together, they explore the challenges and triumphs of living out a missio]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Global Kingdom Mission, Pt. 1 with Carl & KA Ellis]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington dive into the mission of the church and God’s heart for His people with special guests Carl and K.A. Ellis. Together, they explore the challenges and triumphs of living out a mission-driven life, sharing wisdom, personal stories, and biblical insights that inspire and equip believers to make an impact. Listen as they unpack what it means to live with purpose, walk in faith, and engage in the work God has called us to. We hope this conversation will encourage you to step boldly into God's calling.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11843/global-kingdom-mission.mp3" length="98796480" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington dive into the mission of the church and God’s heart for His people with special guests Carl and K.A. Ellis. Together, they explore the challenges and triumphs of living out a mission-driven life, sharing wisdom, personal stories, and biblical insights that inspire and equip believers to make an impact. Listen as they unpack what it means to live with purpose, walk in faith, and engage in the work God has called us to. We hope this conversation will encourage you to step boldly into God's calling.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode09-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Global Kingdom Mission</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>41:09</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington dive into the mission of the church and God’s heart for His people with special guests Carl and K.A. Ellis. Together, they explore the challenges and triumphs of living out a mission-driven life, sharing wisdom, personal stories, and biblical insights that inspire and equip believers to make an impact. Listen as they unpack what it means to live with purpose, walk in faith, and engage in the work God has called us to. We hope this conversation will encourage you to step boldly into God's calling.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode09-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Living and Loving Counterculturally</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/living-and-loving-counterculturally/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 09:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11737</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this conversation, Jeff and Laura sit down with Katie Davis Majors, founder of Amazima Ministries, and discuss her journey from Nashville to Uganda, her experiences in orphan care, and the importance of community and education in transforming lives. Katie shares her insights on the realities of family dynamics in Uganda and the mission of her ministry to support children and families.

In this conversation, Katie shares her journey of faith, adoption, and global missions, emphasizing the beauty of connecting with others and the challenges faced while serving in Uganda. She talks about the hardships of living in a different culture, and the lessons learned about God's faithfulness and dependence. The discussion encourages believers in the call to serve locally and globally.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this conversation, Jeff and Laura sit down with Katie Davis Majors, founder of Amazima Ministries, and discuss her journey from Nashville to Uganda, her experiences in orphan care, and the importance of community and education in transforming lives. K]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Living and Loving Counterculturally with Katie Davis Majors]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this conversation, Jeff and Laura sit down with Katie Davis Majors, founder of Amazima Ministries, and discuss her journey from Nashville to Uganda, her experiences in orphan care, and the importance of community and education in transforming lives. Katie shares her insights on the realities of family dynamics in Uganda and the mission of her ministry to support children and families.

In this conversation, Katie shares her journey of faith, adoption, and global missions, emphasizing the beauty of connecting with others and the challenges faced while serving in Uganda. She talks about the hardships of living in a different culture, and the lessons learned about God's faithfulness and dependence. The discussion encourages believers in the call to serve locally and globally.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11737/living-and-loving-counterculturally.mp3" length="100065600" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this conversation, Jeff and Laura sit down with Katie Davis Majors, founder of Amazima Ministries, and discuss her journey from Nashville to Uganda, her experiences in orphan care, and the importance of community and education in transforming lives. Katie shares her insights on the realities of family dynamics in Uganda and the mission of her ministry to support children and families.

In this conversation, Katie shares her journey of faith, adoption, and global missions, emphasizing the beauty of connecting with others and the challenges faced while serving in Uganda. She talks about the hardships of living in a different culture, and the lessons learned about God's faithfulness and dependence. The discussion encourages believers in the call to serve locally and globally.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode08-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Living and Loving Counterculturally</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>41:41</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this conversation, Jeff and Laura sit down with Katie Davis Majors, founder of Amazima Ministries, and discuss her journey from Nashville to Uganda, her experiences in orphan care, and the importance of community and education in transforming lives. Katie shares her insights on the realities of family dynamics in Uganda and the mission of her ministry to support children and families.

In this conversation, Katie shares her journey of faith, adoption, and global missions, emphasizing the beauty of connecting with others and the challenges faced while serving in Uganda. She talks about the hardships of living in a different culture, and the lessons learned about God's faithfulness and dependence. The discussion encourages believers in the call to serve locally and globally.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode08-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Living In (but not of) the World</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/living-in-but-not-of-the-world/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2025 13:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11620</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, host Laura Story Elvington is joined by Jimmy Kim to talk with author Rebecca DeYoung. Together they explore her new book, Glittering Vices. They discuss how these vices are not just historical concepts but are relevant to modern life, emphasizing the importance of self-examination and community in spiritual growth. The conversation delves into specific vices like greed and sloth, highlighting their impact on personal and communal life, and the necessity of grace in the journey of faith.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, host Laura Story Elvington is joined by Jimmy Kim to talk with author Rebecca DeYoung. Together they explore her new book, Glittering Vices. They discuss how these vices are not just historical concepts but are relevant to modern life, e]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Living In (but not of) the World with Rebecca DeYoung]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, host Laura Story Elvington is joined by Jimmy Kim to talk with author Rebecca DeYoung. Together they explore her new book, Glittering Vices. They discuss how these vices are not just historical concepts but are relevant to modern life, emphasizing the importance of self-examination and community in spiritual growth. The conversation delves into specific vices like greed and sloth, highlighting their impact on personal and communal life, and the necessity of grace in the journey of faith.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11620/living-in-but-not-of-the-world.mp3" length="67173120" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, host Laura Story Elvington is joined by Jimmy Kim to talk with author Rebecca DeYoung. Together they explore her new book, Glittering Vices. They discuss how these vices are not just historical concepts but are relevant to modern life, emphasizing the importance of self-examination and community in spiritual growth. The conversation delves into specific vices like greed and sloth, highlighting their impact on personal and communal life, and the necessity of grace in the journey of faith.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode07-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode07-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Living In (but not of) the World</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>34:59</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, host Laura Story Elvington is joined by Jimmy Kim to talk with author Rebecca DeYoung. Together they explore her new book, Glittering Vices. They discuss how these vices are not just historical concepts but are relevant to modern life, emphasizing the importance of self-examination and community in spiritual growth. The conversation delves into specific vices like greed and sloth, highlighting their impact on personal and communal life, and the necessity of grace in the journey of faith.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode07-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Caring for People by Caring About Their Stories</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/caring-for-people-by-caring-about-their-stories/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11362</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are joined in the studio by Russ Ramsey—author, pastor, and storyteller—who reminds us of the deep significance of seeing and honoring people’s life stories. Together, they explore how we engage with others as whole people, teaching and relating in ways that reflect the beauty of their unfolding narratives.

Russ challenges us to embrace transparency, recognizing our own need for a Savior as we share the hope we have in Christ. Through authenticity and vulnerability, we embody the true mission of the Church—living as a community that extends grace, compassion, and truth.

Listen to this powerful conversation on faith, storytelling, and what it means to be the body of Christ in the world today.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are joined in the studio by Russ Ramsey—author, pastor, and storyteller—who reminds us of the deep significance of seeing and honoring people’s life stories. Together, they explore how we engage with others as whole people]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Caring for People by Caring About Their Stories with Russ Ramsey]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are joined in the studio by Russ Ramsey—author, pastor, and storyteller—who reminds us of the deep significance of seeing and honoring people’s life stories. Together, they explore how we engage with others as whole people, teaching and relating in ways that reflect the beauty of their unfolding narratives.

Russ challenges us to embrace transparency, recognizing our own need for a Savior as we share the hope we have in Christ. Through authenticity and vulnerability, we embody the true mission of the Church—living as a community that extends grace, compassion, and truth.

Listen to this powerful conversation on faith, storytelling, and what it means to be the body of Christ in the world today.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11362/caring-for-people-by-caring-about-their-stories.mp3" length="93766080" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are joined in the studio by Russ Ramsey—author, pastor, and storyteller—who reminds us of the deep significance of seeing and honoring people’s life stories. Together, they explore how we engage with others as whole people, teaching and relating in ways that reflect the beauty of their unfolding narratives.

Russ challenges us to embrace transparency, recognizing our own need for a Savior as we share the hope we have in Christ. Through authenticity and vulnerability, we embody the true mission of the Church—living as a community that extends grace, compassion, and truth.

Listen to this powerful conversation on faith, storytelling, and what it means to be the body of Christ in the world today.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode06-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode06-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Caring for People by Caring About Their Stories</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>39:04</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are joined in the studio by Russ Ramsey—author, pastor, and storyteller—who reminds us of the deep significance of seeing and honoring people’s life stories. Together, they explore how we engage with others as whole people, teaching and relating in ways that reflect the beauty of their unfolding narratives.

Russ challenges us to embrace transparency, recognizing our own need for a Savior as we share the hope we have in Christ. Through authenticity and vulnerability, we embody the true mission of the Church—living as a community that extends grace, compassion, and truth.

Listen to this powerful conversation on faith, storytelling, and what it means to be the body of Christ in the world today.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD-MOTC-Episode06-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Discipleship &#8211; The Mission of the Church</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/discipleship-the-mission-of-the-church/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2025 09:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11266</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[The mission of the church is to make disciples. In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with two Perimeter staff members: Ryan Brown, Executive Director of Life on Life Ministries, and Kelli Means, Women's Discipleship Director. Together, they explore how God works through discipleship to transform lives.

The conversation focuses on the biblical model of discipleship that Jesus demonstrated, revealing a pattern woven throughout Scripture—God’s presence with His people and His sending of His people. Ryan and Kelli emphasize that the most significant spiritual growth happens when believers walk alongside one another, helping each other deepen their relationship with Christ.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[The mission of the church is to make disciples. In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with two Perimeter staff members: Ryan Brown, Executive Director of Life on Life Ministries, and Kelli Means, Womens Discipleship Director. Together, they explore]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Discipleship—The Mission of the Church with Ryan Brown and Kelli Means]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[The mission of the church is to make disciples. In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with two Perimeter staff members: Ryan Brown, Executive Director of Life on Life Ministries, and Kelli Means, Women's Discipleship Director. Together, they explore how God works through discipleship to transform lives.

The conversation focuses on the biblical model of discipleship that Jesus demonstrated, revealing a pattern woven throughout Scripture—God’s presence with His people and His sending of His people. Ryan and Kelli emphasize that the most significant spiritual growth happens when believers walk alongside one another, helping each other deepen their relationship with Christ.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11266/discipleship-the-mission-of-the-church.mp3" length="103966080" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The mission of the church is to make disciples. In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with two Perimeter staff members: Ryan Brown, Executive Director of Life on Life Ministries, and Kelli Means, Women's Discipleship Director. Together, they explore how God works through discipleship to transform lives.

The conversation focuses on the biblical model of discipleship that Jesus demonstrated, revealing a pattern woven throughout Scripture—God’s presence with His people and His sending of His people. Ryan and Kelli emphasize that the most significant spiritual growth happens when believers walk alongside one another, helping each other deepen their relationship with Christ.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode05-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode05-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>Discipleship &#8211; The Mission of the Church</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>43:19</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[The mission of the church is to make disciples. In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with two Perimeter staff members: Ryan Brown, Executive Director of Life on Life Ministries, and Kelli Means, Women's Discipleship Director. Together, they explore how God works through discipleship to transform lives.

The conversation focuses on the biblical model of discipleship that Jesus demonstrated, revealing a pattern woven throughout Scripture—God’s presence with His people and His sending of His people. Ryan and Kelli emphasize that the most significant spiritual growth happens when believers walk alongside one another, helping each other deepen their relationship with Christ.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode05-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Prayer &#8211; The Mission of the Church</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/prayer-the-mission-of-the-church/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2025 09:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11203</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with Paul Miller—author and director of See Jesus Ministry—about the vital role of prayer in the church’s mission.

Paul shares practical insights on overcoming prayer struggles, embracing honesty with God, and understanding His promises, especially in disappointment. He also reflects on his family’s journey with disability, the fight against cynicism, and the power of love, faith, and hope. Together, they explore the J-curve—how suffering leads to resurrection—and offer practical ways to overcome prayer fatigue and foster radical dependence on God.

Additional Resources:

Learn more about Paul’s ministry at seejesus.net
Read (or gift) Paul’s book, A Praying Life]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with Paul Miller—author and director of See Jesus Ministry—about the vital role of prayer in the church’s mission.

Paul shares practical insights on overcoming prayer struggles, embracing honesty ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Prayer—The Mission of the Church with Paul Miller]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with Paul Miller—author and director of See Jesus Ministry—about the vital role of prayer in the church’s mission.

Paul shares practical insights on overcoming prayer struggles, embracing honesty with God, and understanding His promises, especially in disappointment. He also reflects on his family’s journey with disability, the fight against cynicism, and the power of love, faith, and hope. Together, they explore the J-curve—how suffering leads to resurrection—and offer practical ways to overcome prayer fatigue and foster radical dependence on God.

Additional Resources:

Learn more about Paul’s ministry at seejesus.net
Read (or gift) Paul’s book, A Praying Life]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/11203/prayer-the-mission-of-the-church.mp3" length="93237120" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with Paul Miller—author and director of See Jesus Ministry—about the vital role of prayer in the church’s mission.

Paul shares practical insights on overcoming prayer struggles, embracing honesty with God, and understanding His promises, especially in disappointment. He also reflects on his family’s journey with disability, the fight against cynicism, and the power of love, faith, and hope. Together, they explore the J-curve—how suffering leads to resurrection—and offer practical ways to overcome prayer fatigue and foster radical dependence on God.

Additional Resources:

Learn more about Paul’s ministry at seejesus.net
Read (or gift) Paul’s book, A Praying Life]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode04-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Prayer &#8211; The Mission of the Church</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>38:50</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with Paul Miller—author and director of See Jesus Ministry—about the vital role of prayer in the church’s mission.

Paul shares practical insights on overcoming prayer struggles, embracing honesty with God, and understanding His promises, especially in disappointment. He also reflects on his family’s journey with disability, the fight against cynicism, and the power of love, faith, and hope. Together, they explore the J-curve—how suffering leads to resurrection—and offer practical ways to overcome prayer fatigue and foster radical dependence on God.

Additional Resources:

Learn more about Paul’s ministry at seejesus.net
Read (or gift) Paul’s book, A Praying Life]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode04-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>An Outward-Focused Mission</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/an-outward-focused-mission/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2025 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=11061</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today’s conversation on Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church, about the mission of the church and church planting. They discuss the need for churches to equip members for mission rather than catering to consumerism.  J.D. discusses the importance of recognizing the call to mission. It’s not about if you’re called, but where and how God leads you to be on mission for Him.

Together, the three discuss the challenges of sustaining passion for their mission in the face of personal struggles and sufferings. They emphasize the significance of the Christian community in providing support and guidance during these times. We hope this episode encourages you to seek opportunities for evangelism in everyday life, being confident that even in times of personal struggle, God can use you to impact others.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In today’s conversation on Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church, about the mission of the church and church planting. They discuss the need for churches to equip members for mission rather than catering to con]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[An Outward-focused Mission with J.D. Greear]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today’s conversation on Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church, about the mission of the church and church planting. They discuss the need for churches to equip members for mission rather than catering to consumerism.  J.D. discusses the importance of recognizing the call to mission. It’s not about if you’re called, but where and how God leads you to be on mission for Him.

Together, the three discuss the challenges of sustaining passion for their mission in the face of personal struggles and sufferings. They emphasize the significance of the Christian community in providing support and guidance during these times. We hope this episode encourages you to seek opportunities for evangelism in everyday life, being confident that even in times of personal struggle, God can use you to impact others.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s conversation on Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church, about the mission of the church and church planting. They discuss the need for churches to equip members for mission rather than catering to consumerism.  J.D. discusses the importance of recognizing the call to mission. It’s not about if you’re called, but where and how God leads you to be on mission for Him.

Together, the three discuss the challenges of sustaining passion for their mission in the face of personal struggles and sufferings. They emphasize the significance of the Christian community in providing support and guidance during these times. We hope this episode encourages you to seek opportunities for evangelism in everyday life, being confident that even in times of personal struggle, God can use you to impact others.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>An Outward-Focused Mission</title>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today’s conversation on Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura talk with J.D. Greear, pastor of The Summit Church, about the mission of the church and church planting. They discuss the need for churches to equip members for mission rather than catering to consumerism.  J.D. discusses the importance of recognizing the call to mission. It’s not about if you’re called, but where and how God leads you to be on mission for Him.

Together, the three discuss the challenges of sustaining passion for their mission in the face of personal struggles and sufferings. They emphasize the significance of the Christian community in providing support and guidance during these times. We hope this episode encourages you to seek opportunities for evangelism in everyday life, being confident that even in times of personal struggle, God can use you to impact others.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode03-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>The Mission of Spiritual Formation</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-mission-of-spiritual-formation/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 14:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=10935</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[What does it mean to be spiritually formed? In this episode of Digging Deeper, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by Dr. Jim Wilhoit, author and retired Wheaton College professor, to explore how spiritual formation is central to the mission of the church. Together, they unpack how transformation happens not just through personal devotion but within the context of community.

From Jesus’ own formation to the role of suffering in shaping our faith, this conversation challenges the modern tendency toward isolated spirituality. Whether you're a new believer or have walked with Jesus for years, this episode will encourage you to engage more deeply with the church and embrace the lifelong journey of becoming more like Christ.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[What does it mean to be spiritually formed? In this episode of Digging Deeper, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by Dr. Jim Wilhoit, author and retired Wheaton College professor, to explore how spiritual formation is central to the m]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Mission of Spiritual Formation with Dr. Jim Wilhoit]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[What does it mean to be spiritually formed? In this episode of Digging Deeper, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by Dr. Jim Wilhoit, author and retired Wheaton College professor, to explore how spiritual formation is central to the mission of the church. Together, they unpack how transformation happens not just through personal devotion but within the context of community.

From Jesus’ own formation to the role of suffering in shaping our faith, this conversation challenges the modern tendency toward isolated spirituality. Whether you're a new believer or have walked with Jesus for years, this episode will encourage you to engage more deeply with the church and embrace the lifelong journey of becoming more like Christ.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/10935/the-mission-of-spiritual-formation.mp3" length="92691840" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does it mean to be spiritually formed? In this episode of Digging Deeper, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by Dr. Jim Wilhoit, author and retired Wheaton College professor, to explore how spiritual formation is central to the mission of the church. Together, they unpack how transformation happens not just through personal devotion but within the context of community.

From Jesus’ own formation to the role of suffering in shaping our faith, this conversation challenges the modern tendency toward isolated spirituality. Whether you're a new believer or have walked with Jesus for years, this episode will encourage you to engage more deeply with the church and embrace the lifelong journey of becoming more like Christ.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<image>
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		<title>The Mission of Spiritual Formation</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>38:37</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[What does it mean to be spiritually formed? In this episode of Digging Deeper, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington are joined by Dr. Jim Wilhoit, author and retired Wheaton College professor, to explore how spiritual formation is central to the mission of the church. Together, they unpack how transformation happens not just through personal devotion but within the context of community.

From Jesus’ own formation to the role of suffering in shaping our faith, this conversation challenges the modern tendency toward isolated spirituality. Whether you're a new believer or have walked with Jesus for years, this episode will encourage you to engage more deeply with the church and embrace the lifelong journey of becoming more like Christ.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode02-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>What Is the Mission of the Church?</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/what-is-the-mission-of-the-church/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2025 09:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=10808</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura reconnect with Dr. Michael Reeves to explore the mission of the church, its biblical foundation, and its connection to union with Christ. Michael emphasizes that mission isn’t an optional add-on but an essential part of the Christian life, rooted in a deep relationship with God. They discuss how delighting in God naturally fuels a life on mission, making gospel-sharing a joyful overflow rather than a duty. Tune in for a rich conversation on how true mission stems from a heart that enjoys God.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura reconnect with Dr. Michael Reeves to explore the mission of the church, its biblical foundation, and its connection to union with Christ. Michael emphasizes that mission isn’t an optional add-on but an essential part of th]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[What is the Mission of the Church? With Dr. Michael Reeves]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura reconnect with Dr. Michael Reeves to explore the mission of the church, its biblical foundation, and its connection to union with Christ. Michael emphasizes that mission isn’t an optional add-on but an essential part of the Christian life, rooted in a deep relationship with God. They discuss how delighting in God naturally fuels a life on mission, making gospel-sharing a joyful overflow rather than a duty. Tune in for a rich conversation on how true mission stems from a heart that enjoys God.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/10808/what-is-the-mission-of-the-church.mp3" length="90542400" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura reconnect with Dr. Michael Reeves to explore the mission of the church, its biblical foundation, and its connection to union with Christ. Michael emphasizes that mission isn’t an optional add-on but an essential part of the Christian life, rooted in a deep relationship with God. They discuss how delighting in God naturally fuels a life on mission, making gospel-sharing a joyful overflow rather than a duty. Tune in for a rich conversation on how true mission stems from a heart that enjoys God.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode01-podcast_square.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode01-podcast_square.png</url>
		<title>What Is the Mission of the Church?</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>37:44</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura reconnect with Dr. Michael Reeves to explore the mission of the church, its biblical foundation, and its connection to union with Christ. Michael emphasizes that mission isn’t an optional add-on but an essential part of the Christian life, rooted in a deep relationship with God. They discuss how delighting in God naturally fuels a life on mission, making gospel-sharing a joyful overflow rather than a duty. Tune in for a rich conversation on how true mission stems from a heart that enjoys God.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DD-MOTC-Episode01-podcast_square.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 6</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-6/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2024 09:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9733</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People’ with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope.

Today’s guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experience with grief, resilience, and maintaining hope as a follower of Christ. The conversation digs into what lament looks like and how lament allows believers to acknowledge pain while still holding on to hope in Christ. Sandra shares her personal experience of what a gift communal lament is and how faith communities can support each other through structured services of lament.

This episode offers comforting insights and practical encouragement for anyone seeking to understand how faith sustains us in times of grief.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People’ with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope.

Today’s guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experien]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People Grieve With Hope, with Sandra McCracken]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People’ with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope.

Today’s guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experience with grief, resilience, and maintaining hope as a follower of Christ. The conversation digs into what lament looks like and how lament allows believers to acknowledge pain while still holding on to hope in Christ. Sandra shares her personal experience of what a gift communal lament is and how faith communities can support each other through structured services of lament.

This episode offers comforting insights and practical encouragement for anyone seeking to understand how faith sustains us in times of grief.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9733/kingdom-people-episode-6.mp3" length="85197120" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People’ with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope.

Today’s guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experience with grief, resilience, and maintaining hope as a follower of Christ. The conversation digs into what lament looks like and how lament allows believers to acknowledge pain while still holding on to hope in Christ. Sandra shares her personal experience of what a gift communal lament is and how faith communities can support each other through structured services of lament.

This episode offers comforting insights and practical encouragement for anyone seeking to understand how faith sustains us in times of grief.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Kingdom People Episode 6</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>35:30</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of the Digging Deeper podcast, Jeff and Laura wrap up our series on ‘Kingdom People’ with a look at how the Christian grieves with hope.

Today’s guest is Sandra McCracken, a singer/songwriter and worship leader. She shares her experience with grief, resilience, and maintaining hope as a follower of Christ. The conversation digs into what lament looks like and how lament allows believers to acknowledge pain while still holding on to hope in Christ. Sandra shares her personal experience of what a gift communal lament is and how faith communities can support each other through structured services of lament.

This episode offers comforting insights and practical encouragement for anyone seeking to understand how faith sustains us in times of grief.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 5</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-5/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2024 09:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9493</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Prayer is a vital characteristic of Kingdom People, and the Holy Spirit instills a desire to pray in believers. In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura engage with Dr. Don Whitney, professor at Midwestern Theological Seminary, to explore the significance of prayer in the life of a believer.

The three discuss common struggles Christians face in prayer and the transformative practice of praying through Scripture, particularly the Psalms. The conversation also touches on how to hear God through His Word and the importance of praying in alignment with God's will, especially in the context of cultural moments like elections.

Learn more about Dr. Whitney’s work and ministry at mbts.edu/whitney.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Prayer is a vital characteristic of Kingdom People, and the Holy Spirit instills a desire to pray in believers. In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura engage with Dr. Don Whitney, professor at Midwestern Theological Seminary, to explore the si]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People Pray with Don Whitney]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Prayer is a vital characteristic of Kingdom People, and the Holy Spirit instills a desire to pray in believers. In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura engage with Dr. Don Whitney, professor at Midwestern Theological Seminary, to explore the significance of prayer in the life of a believer.

The three discuss common struggles Christians face in prayer and the transformative practice of praying through Scripture, particularly the Psalms. The conversation also touches on how to hear God through His Word and the importance of praying in alignment with God's will, especially in the context of cultural moments like elections.

Learn more about Dr. Whitney’s work and ministry at mbts.edu/whitney.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9493/kingdom-people-episode-5.mp3" length="76160640" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Prayer is a vital characteristic of Kingdom People, and the Holy Spirit instills a desire to pray in believers. In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura engage with Dr. Don Whitney, professor at Midwestern Theological Seminary, to explore the significance of prayer in the life of a believer.

The three discuss common struggles Christians face in prayer and the transformative practice of praying through Scripture, particularly the Psalms. The conversation also touches on how to hear God through His Word and the importance of praying in alignment with God's will, especially in the context of cultural moments like elections.

Learn more about Dr. Whitney’s work and ministry at mbts.edu/whitney.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Kingdom People Episode 5</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>31:44</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Prayer is a vital characteristic of Kingdom People, and the Holy Spirit instills a desire to pray in believers. In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura engage with Dr. Don Whitney, professor at Midwestern Theological Seminary, to explore the significance of prayer in the life of a believer.

The three discuss common struggles Christians face in prayer and the transformative practice of praying through Scripture, particularly the Psalms. The conversation also touches on how to hear God through His Word and the importance of praying in alignment with God's will, especially in the context of cultural moments like elections.

Learn more about Dr. Whitney’s work and ministry at mbts.edu/whitney.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 4</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-4/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9461</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Friendship is a deep, felt need for everyone and requires work and commitment, which is hard to maintain in the busyness of life. Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington sit down with Pastor Bryan Loritts to explore the theme of enduring friendships within the context of faith and community.

In this conversation, Dr. Loritts walks through major themes of friendship, emphasizing the importance of deep, meaningful relationships in a world that often prioritizes superficial connections. Listen as they delve into the challenges of maintaining long-term friendships, the lessons learned from the book of Philemon, and the distinction between forgiveness and reconciliation. You’ll learn how investing in relationships reflects the heart of the gospel and God's desire for community among His people.

Learn more about Dr. Loritts’ work on his website, bryanloritts.com. You can purchase his new book, Enduring Friendships, from the Perimeter Bookstore or other retailers.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Friendship is a deep, felt need for everyone and requires work and commitment, which is hard to maintain in the busyness of life. Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington sit down with Pastor Bryan Loritts to explore the theme of enduring friendships within the c]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People Build Enduring Friendships with Bryan Loritts]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Friendship is a deep, felt need for everyone and requires work and commitment, which is hard to maintain in the busyness of life. Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington sit down with Pastor Bryan Loritts to explore the theme of enduring friendships within the context of faith and community.

In this conversation, Dr. Loritts walks through major themes of friendship, emphasizing the importance of deep, meaningful relationships in a world that often prioritizes superficial connections. Listen as they delve into the challenges of maintaining long-term friendships, the lessons learned from the book of Philemon, and the distinction between forgiveness and reconciliation. You’ll learn how investing in relationships reflects the heart of the gospel and God's desire for community among His people.

Learn more about Dr. Loritts’ work on his website, bryanloritts.com. You can purchase his new book, Enduring Friendships, from the Perimeter Bookstore or other retailers.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9461/kingdom-people-episode-4.mp3" length="76056000" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Friendship is a deep, felt need for everyone and requires work and commitment, which is hard to maintain in the busyness of life. Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington sit down with Pastor Bryan Loritts to explore the theme of enduring friendships within the context of faith and community.

In this conversation, Dr. Loritts walks through major themes of friendship, emphasizing the importance of deep, meaningful relationships in a world that often prioritizes superficial connections. Listen as they delve into the challenges of maintaining long-term friendships, the lessons learned from the book of Philemon, and the distinction between forgiveness and reconciliation. You’ll learn how investing in relationships reflects the heart of the gospel and God's desire for community among His people.

Learn more about Dr. Loritts’ work on his website, bryanloritts.com. You can purchase his new book, Enduring Friendships, from the Perimeter Bookstore or other retailers.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Kingdom People Episode 4</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>31:41</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Friendship is a deep, felt need for everyone and requires work and commitment, which is hard to maintain in the busyness of life. Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington sit down with Pastor Bryan Loritts to explore the theme of enduring friendships within the context of faith and community.

In this conversation, Dr. Loritts walks through major themes of friendship, emphasizing the importance of deep, meaningful relationships in a world that often prioritizes superficial connections. Listen as they delve into the challenges of maintaining long-term friendships, the lessons learned from the book of Philemon, and the distinction between forgiveness and reconciliation. You’ll learn how investing in relationships reflects the heart of the gospel and God's desire for community among His people.

Learn more about Dr. Loritts’ work on his website, bryanloritts.com. You can purchase his new book, Enduring Friendships, from the Perimeter Bookstore or other retailers.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 3</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-3/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9404</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore the concept of kindness as a transformative force in relationships and society. They discuss the 30-Day Kindness Challenge, emphasizing how our treatment of others significantly impacts our own well-being and relationships. The conversation also delves into the importance of kindness in civic engagement, especially during politically-charged times, and encourages listeners to embrace kindness as a core aspect of the Christian life.

Learn more about Shaunti's work on her website: shaunti.com, or take The 30-Day Kindness Challenge at https://www.jointhekindnesschallenge.com.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore the concept of kindness as a transformative force in relationships and society. They discuss the 30-Day Kindness Challenge, ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People Show Kindness with Shaunti Feldhahn]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore the concept of kindness as a transformative force in relationships and society. They discuss the 30-Day Kindness Challenge, emphasizing how our treatment of others significantly impacts our own well-being and relationships. The conversation also delves into the importance of kindness in civic engagement, especially during politically-charged times, and encourages listeners to embrace kindness as a core aspect of the Christian life.

Learn more about Shaunti's work on her website: shaunti.com, or take The 30-Day Kindness Challenge at https://www.jointhekindnesschallenge.com.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9404/kingdom-people-episode-3.mp3" length="83705280" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore the concept of kindness as a transformative force in relationships and society. They discuss the 30-Day Kindness Challenge, emphasizing how our treatment of others significantly impacts our own well-being and relationships. The conversation also delves into the importance of kindness in civic engagement, especially during politically-charged times, and encourages listeners to embrace kindness as a core aspect of the Christian life.

Learn more about Shaunti's work on her website: shaunti.com, or take The 30-Day Kindness Challenge at https://www.jointhekindnesschallenge.com.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Kingdom People Episode 3</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>34:52</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, hosts Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington engage with social researcher and author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore the concept of kindness as a transformative force in relationships and society. They discuss the 30-Day Kindness Challenge, emphasizing how our treatment of others significantly impacts our own well-being and relationships. The conversation also delves into the importance of kindness in civic engagement, especially during politically-charged times, and encourages listeners to embrace kindness as a core aspect of the Christian life.

Learn more about Shaunti's work on her website: shaunti.com, or take The 30-Day Kindness Challenge at https://www.jointhekindnesschallenge.com.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2024 09:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9276</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff continues to discuss the concept of 'Kingdom People' with Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Dr. Crawford Loritts, founder of Beyond our Generation. Today’s conversation focuses on how Christians navigate dual citizenship in both the kingdom of heaven and the worldly kingdom here on earth. They explore the importance of the Beatitudes in parenting, the challenges modern parents face, and the role of the church in supporting families.

In this pastor roundtable, the men discuss practical advice for both parents and grandparents on how to model faith and encourage spiritual growth in children.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff continues to discuss the concept of Kingdom People with Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Dr. Crawford Loritts, founder of Beyond our Generation. Today’s conversation focuses on ho]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People: Pastor Roundtable Part 2]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff continues to discuss the concept of 'Kingdom People' with Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Dr. Crawford Loritts, founder of Beyond our Generation. Today’s conversation focuses on how Christians navigate dual citizenship in both the kingdom of heaven and the worldly kingdom here on earth. They explore the importance of the Beatitudes in parenting, the challenges modern parents face, and the role of the church in supporting families.

In this pastor roundtable, the men discuss practical advice for both parents and grandparents on how to model faith and encourage spiritual growth in children.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9276/kingdom-people-episode-2.mp3" length="68109120" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff continues to discuss the concept of 'Kingdom People' with Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Dr. Crawford Loritts, founder of Beyond our Generation. Today’s conversation focuses on how Christians navigate dual citizenship in both the kingdom of heaven and the worldly kingdom here on earth. They explore the importance of the Beatitudes in parenting, the challenges modern parents face, and the role of the church in supporting families.

In this pastor roundtable, the men discuss practical advice for both parents and grandparents on how to model faith and encourage spiritual growth in children.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Kingdom People Episode 2</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>28:22</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff continues to discuss the concept of 'Kingdom People' with Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Dr. Crawford Loritts, founder of Beyond our Generation. Today’s conversation focuses on how Christians navigate dual citizenship in both the kingdom of heaven and the worldly kingdom here on earth. They explore the importance of the Beatitudes in parenting, the challenges modern parents face, and the role of the church in supporting families.

In this pastor roundtable, the men discuss practical advice for both parents and grandparents on how to model faith and encourage spiritual growth in children.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Kingdom People Episode 1</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/kingdom-people-episode-1/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 09:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=9153</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris is joined by Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Jason Cook, pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, to discuss the concept of being 'Kingdom People' amidst cultural pressures. They explore the Beatitudes (Matthew 5) and their implications for church unity and peacemaking, especially in a politically charged environment.

Part one of this conversation emphasizes the active role of Christians in both the church and society, advocating for a balance between political engagement and spiritual integrity. This episode highlights the importance of community, humility, and the transformative power of the church in addressing societal issues.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris is joined by Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Jason Cook, pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, to discuss the concept of being Kingdom People amidst cultural press]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Kingdom People: Pastor Roundtable Part 1]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris is joined by Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Jason Cook, pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, to discuss the concept of being 'Kingdom People' amidst cultural pressures. They explore the Beatitudes (Matthew 5) and their implications for church unity and peacemaking, especially in a politically charged environment.

Part one of this conversation emphasizes the active role of Christians in both the church and society, advocating for a balance between political engagement and spiritual integrity. This episode highlights the importance of community, humility, and the transformative power of the church in addressing societal issues.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/9153/kingdom-people-episode-1.mp3" length="61285440" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris is joined by Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Jason Cook, pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, to discuss the concept of being 'Kingdom People' amidst cultural pressures. They explore the Beatitudes (Matthew 5) and their implications for church unity and peacemaking, especially in a politically charged environment.

Part one of this conversation emphasizes the active role of Christians in both the church and society, advocating for a balance between political engagement and spiritual integrity. This episode highlights the importance of community, humility, and the transformative power of the church in addressing societal issues.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Kingdom People Episode 1</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>25:32</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris is joined by Clay Smith, pastor of Johnson Ferry Baptist Church in Marietta, and Jason Cook, pastor of Fellowship Bible Church in Roswell, to discuss the concept of being 'Kingdom People' amidst cultural pressures. They explore the Beatitudes (Matthew 5) and their implications for church unity and peacemaking, especially in a politically charged environment.

Part one of this conversation emphasizes the active role of Christians in both the church and society, advocating for a balance between political engagement and spiritual integrity. This episode highlights the importance of community, humility, and the transformative power of the church in addressing societal issues.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>The Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-holy-spirit-and-spiritual-gifts/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2024 18:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=8717</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Spiritual gifts are given by God for the glory of God and the edification of the Church. In this special episode of Digging Deeper, we continue our conversation about the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Laura Story Elvington takes the host seat to interview senior pastor Jeff Norris and founding pastor Randy Pope, who offer additional thoughts beyond our recent Sunday morning sermon series.

Jeff and Randy share their biblically-based insights on the spiritual gifts believers receive from the Holy Spirit upon putting their faith in Jesus. Covering topics not addressed during the Holy Spirit sermon series, this episode aims to enrich your understanding of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of believers and the Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Spiritual gifts are given by God for the glory of God and the edification of the Church. In this special episode of Digging Deeper, we continue our conversation about the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Laura Story Elvington takes the host ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts with Randy Pope]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Spiritual gifts are given by God for the glory of God and the edification of the Church. In this special episode of Digging Deeper, we continue our conversation about the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Laura Story Elvington takes the host seat to interview senior pastor Jeff Norris and founding pastor Randy Pope, who offer additional thoughts beyond our recent Sunday morning sermon series.

Jeff and Randy share their biblically-based insights on the spiritual gifts believers receive from the Holy Spirit upon putting their faith in Jesus. Covering topics not addressed during the Holy Spirit sermon series, this episode aims to enrich your understanding of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of believers and the Church.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/8717/the-holy-spirit-and-spiritual-gifts.mp3" length="104745600" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Spiritual gifts are given by God for the glory of God and the edification of the Church. In this special episode of Digging Deeper, we continue our conversation about the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Laura Story Elvington takes the host seat to interview senior pastor Jeff Norris and founding pastor Randy Pope, who offer additional thoughts beyond our recent Sunday morning sermon series.

Jeff and Randy share their biblically-based insights on the spiritual gifts believers receive from the Holy Spirit upon putting their faith in Jesus. Covering topics not addressed during the Holy Spirit sermon series, this episode aims to enrich your understanding of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of believers and the Church.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>The Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>43:38</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Spiritual gifts are given by God for the glory of God and the edification of the Church. In this special episode of Digging Deeper, we continue our conversation about the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity. Laura Story Elvington takes the host seat to interview senior pastor Jeff Norris and founding pastor Randy Pope, who offer additional thoughts beyond our recent Sunday morning sermon series.

Jeff and Randy share their biblically-based insights on the spiritual gifts believers receive from the Holy Spirit upon putting their faith in Jesus. Covering topics not addressed during the Holy Spirit sermon series, this episode aims to enrich your understanding of the Holy Spirit's role in the life of believers and the Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Handing Down Our Faith to the Next Generation Pt. 2 with Raymond Chang</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/handing-down-our-faith-to-the-next-generation-pt2/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2024 14:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5325</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura continue the conversation around faith and the next generation with Raymond Chang, pastor, author and member of the Fuller Youth Institute. Raymond lays out what he is seeing the kids that aren’t leaving the faith and the common thread of relational discipleship radically centered around Jesus. We hope this last episode in this series, Believe, will be an encouragement to you as we, believers in Jesus, actively live out our faith in front of the next generation.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura continue the conversation around faith and the next generation with Raymond Chang, pastor, author and member of the Fuller Youth Institute. Raymond lays out what he is seeing the kids that aren’t l]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Handing Down the Faith to the Next Generation (Part 2) with Raymond Chang]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura continue the conversation around faith and the next generation with Raymond Chang, pastor, author and member of the Fuller Youth Institute. Raymond lays out what he is seeing the kids that aren’t leaving the faith and the common thread of relational discipleship radically centered around Jesus. We hope this last episode in this series, Believe, will be an encouragement to you as we, believers in Jesus, actively live out our faith in front of the next generation.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5325/handing-down-our-faith-to-the-next-generation-pt2.mp3" length="51568827" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura continue the conversation around faith and the next generation with Raymond Chang, pastor, author and member of the Fuller Youth Institute. Raymond lays out what he is seeing the kids that aren’t leaving the faith and the common thread of relational discipleship radically centered around Jesus. We hope this last episode in this series, Believe, will be an encouragement to you as we, believers in Jesus, actively live out our faith in front of the next generation.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Handing Down Our Faith to the Next Generation Pt. 2 with Raymond Chang</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>35:46</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this week’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura continue the conversation around faith and the next generation with Raymond Chang, pastor, author and member of the Fuller Youth Institute. Raymond lays out what he is seeing the kids that aren’t leaving the faith and the common thread of relational discipleship radically centered around Jesus. We hope this last episode in this series, Believe, will be an encouragement to you as we, believers in Jesus, actively live out our faith in front of the next generation.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Handing Down Our Faith to the Next Generation Pt. 1 with Justin Earley</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/handing-down-our-faith-to-the-next-generation-pt1/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2024 14:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5324</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are talking with Justin Whitmel Earley, a business lawyer, author, father, and husband. Our hearts tend to follow the habits we practice. Those habits sometimes convince us to believe the lie that we are limitless, omnipotent, and god of our days.

Recounting his own experience with stress and anxiety, Justin shares that while we would never speak those untruths out loud, our actions and our habits often demonstrate what our hearts truly believe. Justin gives some practical applications around the habits we keep and how we can model them for the next generation.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are talking with Justin Whitmel Earley, a business lawyer, author, father, and husband. Our hearts tend to follow the habits we practice. Those habits sometimes convince us to believe the lie that we are limitless, omnipot]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Handing Down the Faith to the Next Generation (pt. 1) with Justin Earley]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are talking with Justin Whitmel Earley, a business lawyer, author, father, and husband. Our hearts tend to follow the habits we practice. Those habits sometimes convince us to believe the lie that we are limitless, omnipotent, and god of our days.

Recounting his own experience with stress and anxiety, Justin shares that while we would never speak those untruths out loud, our actions and our habits often demonstrate what our hearts truly believe. Justin gives some practical applications around the habits we keep and how we can model them for the next generation.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5324/handing-down-our-faith-to-the-next-generation-pt1.mp3" length="50787098" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are talking with Justin Whitmel Earley, a business lawyer, author, father, and husband. Our hearts tend to follow the habits we practice. Those habits sometimes convince us to believe the lie that we are limitless, omnipotent, and god of our days.

Recounting his own experience with stress and anxiety, Justin shares that while we would never speak those untruths out loud, our actions and our habits often demonstrate what our hearts truly believe. Justin gives some practical applications around the habits we keep and how we can model them for the next generation.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Handing Down Our Faith to the Next Generation Pt. 1 with Justin Earley</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>35:02</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura are talking with Justin Whitmel Earley, a business lawyer, author, father, and husband. Our hearts tend to follow the habits we practice. Those habits sometimes convince us to believe the lie that we are limitless, omnipotent, and god of our days.

Recounting his own experience with stress and anxiety, Justin shares that while we would never speak those untruths out loud, our actions and our habits often demonstrate what our hearts truly believe. Justin gives some practical applications around the habits we keep and how we can model them for the next generation.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Belief For The Nations with Peter Kasirivu</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/belief-for-the-nations-with-peter-kasirivu/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2024 14:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5215</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura sit down with a special guest, Peter Kasirivu, pastor of Gaba Community Church in Uganda. In this conversation, Pastor Peter shares God’s passion and heart for the nations he has seen firsthand through his church. While the church in America is experiencing a great dechurching, people in Uganda are hungry for God. The joy, excitement, and passion young people are experiencing in Uganda are encouraging and remind us that our heart longings are the same. God sees and hears them all, even though His work looks different in every country.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura sit down with a special guest, Peter Kasirivu, pastor of Gaba Community Church in Uganda. In this conversation, Pastor Peter shares God’s passion and heart for the nations he has seen firsthand through his church. While the church in Ameri]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Belief for the Nations with Peter Kasirivu]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura sit down with a special guest, Peter Kasirivu, pastor of Gaba Community Church in Uganda. In this conversation, Pastor Peter shares God’s passion and heart for the nations he has seen firsthand through his church. While the church in America is experiencing a great dechurching, people in Uganda are hungry for God. The joy, excitement, and passion young people are experiencing in Uganda are encouraging and remind us that our heart longings are the same. God sees and hears them all, even though His work looks different in every country.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5215/belief-for-the-nations-with-peter-kasirivu.mp3" length="63462524" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura sit down with a special guest, Peter Kasirivu, pastor of Gaba Community Church in Uganda. In this conversation, Pastor Peter shares God’s passion and heart for the nations he has seen firsthand through his church. While the church in America is experiencing a great dechurching, people in Uganda are hungry for God. The joy, excitement, and passion young people are experiencing in Uganda are encouraging and remind us that our heart longings are the same. God sees and hears them all, even though His work looks different in every country.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Belief For The Nations with Peter Kasirivu</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>43:36</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura sit down with a special guest, Peter Kasirivu, pastor of Gaba Community Church in Uganda. In this conversation, Pastor Peter shares God’s passion and heart for the nations he has seen firsthand through his church. While the church in America is experiencing a great dechurching, people in Uganda are hungry for God. The joy, excitement, and passion young people are experiencing in Uganda are encouraging and remind us that our heart longings are the same. God sees and hears them all, even though His work looks different in every country.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Believing in Jesus with Courtney Doctor</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/believing-in-jesus-with-courtney-doctor/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2024 20:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5214</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Courtney Doctor as we continue this series, Believe. Courtney is the Director of Women’s Initiatives for The Gospel Coalition.  She is passionate about helping women in their local church around the world. In this episode, we take a look at where we see the theme of the book of John and why it is so important.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Courtney Doctor as we continue this series, Believe. Courtney is the Director of Women’s Initiatives for The Gospel Coalition.  She is passionate about helping women in their local church ar]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Believing in Jesus with Courtney Doctor]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Courtney Doctor as we continue this series, Believe. Courtney is the Director of Women’s Initiatives for The Gospel Coalition.  She is passionate about helping women in their local church around the world. In this episode, we take a look at where we see the theme of the book of John and why it is so important.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Courtney Doctor as we continue this series, Believe. Courtney is the Director of Women’s Initiatives for The Gospel Coalition.  She is passionate about helping women in their local church around the world. In this episode, we take a look at where we see the theme of the book of John and why it is so important.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>Believing in Jesus with Courtney Doctor</title>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>31:42</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Courtney Doctor as we continue this series, Believe. Courtney is the Director of Women’s Initiatives for The Gospel Coalition.  She is passionate about helping women in their local church around the world. In this episode, we take a look at where we see the theme of the book of John and why it is so important.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Biblical Belief with Gray Sutanto</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/biblical-belief-with-gray-sutanto/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=3385</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Join Jeff and Laura in today's podcast as they explore the basics of faith and belief with special guest, Gray Sutanto, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Washington D.C. In this discussion, we delve into the essential concepts of salvation and what truly anchors our beliefs to faith. Hear from Gray's educational perspective on how the younger generation grapples with belief, posing fundamental questions like "What does it mean to believe?".]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Join Jeff and Laura in todays podcast as they explore the basics of faith and belief with special guest, Gray Sutanto, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Washington D.C. In this discussion, we delve into the es]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Biblical Belief with Gray Sutanto]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Join Jeff and Laura in today's podcast as they explore the basics of faith and belief with special guest, Gray Sutanto, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Washington D.C. In this discussion, we delve into the essential concepts of salvation and what truly anchors our beliefs to faith. Hear from Gray's educational perspective on how the younger generation grapples with belief, posing fundamental questions like "What does it mean to believe?".]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Join Jeff and Laura in today's podcast as they explore the basics of faith and belief with special guest, Gray Sutanto, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Washington D.C. In this discussion, we delve into the essential concepts of salvation and what truly anchors our beliefs to faith. Hear from Gray's educational perspective on how the younger generation grapples with belief, posing fundamental questions like "What does it mean to believe?".]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>36:18</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Join Jeff and Laura in today's podcast as they explore the basics of faith and belief with special guest, Gray Sutanto, Assistant Professor of Systematic Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Washington D.C. In this discussion, we delve into the essential concepts of salvation and what truly anchors our beliefs to faith. Hear from Gray's educational perspective on how the younger generation grapples with belief, posing fundamental questions like "What does it mean to believe?".]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>An Epidemic of Unbelief with Michael Graham</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/an-epidemic-of-unbelief-with-michael-graham/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2024 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=3378</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this first episode of this series, Believe, Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, "The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" In it, he looks at the different profiles of Americans who are leaving or have already left the church. Their conversation sets up this series as we look at what it means to believe in the Christian faith, with a great reminder that belief is something we hold to, but it is also God holding on to us.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this first episode of this series, Believe, Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[An Epidemic of Unbelief with Michael Graham]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this first episode of this series, Believe, Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, "The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" In it, he looks at the different profiles of Americans who are leaving or have already left the church. Their conversation sets up this series as we look at what it means to believe in the Christian faith, with a great reminder that belief is something we hold to, but it is also God holding on to us.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this first episode of this series, Believe, Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, "The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" In it, he looks at the different profiles of Americans who are leaving or have already left the church. Their conversation sets up this series as we look at what it means to believe in the Christian faith, with a great reminder that belief is something we hold to, but it is also God holding on to us.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>An Epidemic of Unbelief with Michael Graham</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>26:56</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this first episode of this series, Believe, Jeff and Laura sit down with Michael Graham, Program Director for the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. Mike unpacks the findings of his latest book, "The Great Dechurching: Who’s Leaving, Why Are They Going, and What Will It Take to Bring Them Back?" In it, he looks at the different profiles of Americans who are leaving or have already left the church. Their conversation sets up this series as we look at what it means to believe in the Christian faith, with a great reminder that belief is something we hold to, but it is also God holding on to us.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Shaken by Disability with Laura &#038; Martin Elvington</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/shaken-by-disability-with-laura-and-martin-elvington/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5329</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today's episode, we experience a role reversal! Jeff is joined by his wife Rachel, while Laura Story Elvington steps into the role of the interviewee, accompanied by her husband Martin. Together, they delve into a deeply personal narrative of steadfast faith amidst an unexpected medical diagnosis.

This heartfelt conversation aims to stand as a testament to the unwavering strength found in Christ. It's a reminder that despite life's most jarring challenges, followers are invited to embrace the stability of an unshakable God and the enduring reality of His kingdom, even amidst the most tumultuous of times.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In todays episode, we experience a role reversal! Jeff is joined by his wife Rachel, while Laura Story Elvington steps into the role of the interviewee, accompanied by her husband Martin. Together, they delve into a deeply personal narrative of steadfast]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Shaken by Grace with Laura and Martin Elvington]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today's episode, we experience a role reversal! Jeff is joined by his wife Rachel, while Laura Story Elvington steps into the role of the interviewee, accompanied by her husband Martin. Together, they delve into a deeply personal narrative of steadfast faith amidst an unexpected medical diagnosis.

This heartfelt conversation aims to stand as a testament to the unwavering strength found in Christ. It's a reminder that despite life's most jarring challenges, followers are invited to embrace the stability of an unshakable God and the enduring reality of His kingdom, even amidst the most tumultuous of times.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5329/shaken-by-disability-with-laura-and-martin-elvington.mp3" length="57944758" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's episode, we experience a role reversal! Jeff is joined by his wife Rachel, while Laura Story Elvington steps into the role of the interviewee, accompanied by her husband Martin. Together, they delve into a deeply personal narrative of steadfast faith amidst an unexpected medical diagnosis.

This heartfelt conversation aims to stand as a testament to the unwavering strength found in Christ. It's a reminder that despite life's most jarring challenges, followers are invited to embrace the stability of an unshakable God and the enduring reality of His kingdom, even amidst the most tumultuous of times.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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		<title>Shaken by Disability with Laura &#038; Martin Elvington</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>40:04</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today's episode, we experience a role reversal! Jeff is joined by his wife Rachel, while Laura Story Elvington steps into the role of the interviewee, accompanied by her husband Martin. Together, they delve into a deeply personal narrative of steadfast faith amidst an unexpected medical diagnosis.

This heartfelt conversation aims to stand as a testament to the unwavering strength found in Christ. It's a reminder that despite life's most jarring challenges, followers are invited to embrace the stability of an unshakable God and the enduring reality of His kingdom, even amidst the most tumultuous of times.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Shaken by Anxiety with Rebekah Lyons</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/shaken-by-anxiety-with-rebekah-lyons/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2024 23:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=2497</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the ever-present topic of anxiety with speaker, author, mother and wife, Rebekah Lyons. Rebekah has been vulnerable in sharing her story of her struggle with anxiety and panic attacks across multiple platforms. Today, she gives hope and encouragement as she explains the holistic way of God’s healing through the redemptive work of what we know and understand about the brain and how it all works together with our faith journey.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the ever-present topic of anxiety with speaker, author, mother and wife, Rebekah Lyons. Rebekah has been vulnerable in sharing her story of her struggle with anxiety and panic attacks across multiple platforms. Today, she give]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Shaken by Anxiety with Rebekah Lyons]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the ever-present topic of anxiety with speaker, author, mother and wife, Rebekah Lyons. Rebekah has been vulnerable in sharing her story of her struggle with anxiety and panic attacks across multiple platforms. Today, she gives hope and encouragement as she explains the holistic way of God’s healing through the redemptive work of what we know and understand about the brain and how it all works together with our faith journey.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the ever-present topic of anxiety with speaker, author, mother and wife, Rebekah Lyons. Rebekah has been vulnerable in sharing her story of her struggle with anxiety and panic attacks across multiple platforms. Today, she gives hope and encouragement as she explains the holistic way of God’s healing through the redemptive work of what we know and understand about the brain and how it all works together with our faith journey.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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		<title>Shaken by Anxiety with Rebekah Lyons</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>38:36</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the ever-present topic of anxiety with speaker, author, mother and wife, Rebekah Lyons. Rebekah has been vulnerable in sharing her story of her struggle with anxiety and panic attacks across multiple platforms. Today, she gives hope and encouragement as she explains the holistic way of God’s healing through the redemptive work of what we know and understand about the brain and how it all works together with our faith journey.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Shaken by Hard Seasons with Jeff &#038; Catie Francoeur</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/shaken-by-hard-seasons-with-jeff-catie-francoeur/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=2472</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura chat with longtime Braves player and childhood sweethearts, Jeff and Catie Francoeur. The Francoeurs share their amazing testimony and how they had to trust God through difficult things from miscarriages, to dreams of a baseball career coming to an end, all while navigating the outcomes in the public spotlight. We pray this episode will be an encouragement to you in seasons where you experience the unshakable reality of the kingdom of God amid the shaken reality of life.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura chat with longtime Braves player and childhood sweethearts, Jeff and Catie Francoeur. The Francoeurs share their amazing testimony and how they had to trust God through difficult things from miscarriages, to dreams of a baseball career com]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Shaken by Hard Seasons with Jeff and Catie Francoeur]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura chat with longtime Braves player and childhood sweethearts, Jeff and Catie Francoeur. The Francoeurs share their amazing testimony and how they had to trust God through difficult things from miscarriages, to dreams of a baseball career coming to an end, all while navigating the outcomes in the public spotlight. We pray this episode will be an encouragement to you in seasons where you experience the unshakable reality of the kingdom of God amid the shaken reality of life.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/2472/shaken-by-hard-seasons-with-jeff-catie-francoeur.mp3" length="44894615" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura chat with longtime Braves player and childhood sweethearts, Jeff and Catie Francoeur. The Francoeurs share their amazing testimony and how they had to trust God through difficult things from miscarriages, to dreams of a baseball career coming to an end, all while navigating the outcomes in the public spotlight. We pray this episode will be an encouragement to you in seasons where you experience the unshakable reality of the kingdom of God amid the shaken reality of life.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>Shaken by Hard Seasons with Jeff &#038; Catie Francoeur</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>37:24</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff and Laura chat with longtime Braves player and childhood sweethearts, Jeff and Catie Francoeur. The Francoeurs share their amazing testimony and how they had to trust God through difficult things from miscarriages, to dreams of a baseball career coming to an end, all while navigating the outcomes in the public spotlight. We pray this episode will be an encouragement to you in seasons where you experience the unshakable reality of the kingdom of God amid the shaken reality of life.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Shaken by An Unforeseen Future with Jennifer Rothschild</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/shaken-by-an-unforseen-future-with-jennifer-rothschild/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2024 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=2488</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, speaker, and Bible study teacher Jennifer Rothschild. If you’re in the throes of something that is shaking you to the core, we encourage you to listen to this episode. You’ll be encouraged by Jennifer's story of dependency upon our unshakable God!]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, speaker, and Bible study teacher Jennifer Rothschild. If you’re in the throes of something that is shaking you to the core, we encourage you to listen to this episode. You’ll be encouraged by Jennifer]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Shaken by an Unforeseen Future with Jennifer Rothschild]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, speaker, and Bible study teacher Jennifer Rothschild. If you’re in the throes of something that is shaking you to the core, we encourage you to listen to this episode. You’ll be encouraged by Jennifer's story of dependency upon our unshakable God!]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/2488/shaken-by-an-unforseen-future-with-jennifer-rothschild.mp3" length="53058420" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, speaker, and Bible study teacher Jennifer Rothschild. If you’re in the throes of something that is shaking you to the core, we encourage you to listen to this episode. You’ll be encouraged by Jennifer's story of dependency upon our unshakable God!]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Shaken by An Unforeseen Future with Jennifer Rothschild</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>36:43</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, speaker, and Bible study teacher Jennifer Rothschild. If you’re in the throes of something that is shaking you to the core, we encourage you to listen to this episode. You’ll be encouraged by Jennifer's story of dependency upon our unshakable God!]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Integrity with Crawford Loritts</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/integrity-with-crawford-loritts/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5371</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[We wrap our series, Love Rules, around the 10 commandments and how God’s love is a pathway to freedom rather than a restriction on our life. Jeff and Laura sit down with longtime friend, Crawford Loritts, to examine the last three commandments and look at them through the lenses of humility and contentment. We hope this conversation is a blessing to you as you listen and believe that you are truly loved by God the Father, that He is enough and giving you what’s best for your life.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[We wrap our series, Love Rules, around the 10 commandments and how God’s love is a pathway to freedom rather than a restriction on our life. Jeff and Laura sit down with longtime friend, Crawford Loritts, to examine the last three commandments and look a]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Integrity with Crawford Loritts]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[We wrap our series, Love Rules, around the 10 commandments and how God’s love is a pathway to freedom rather than a restriction on our life. Jeff and Laura sit down with longtime friend, Crawford Loritts, to examine the last three commandments and look at them through the lenses of humility and contentment. We hope this conversation is a blessing to you as you listen and believe that you are truly loved by God the Father, that He is enough and giving you what’s best for your life.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5371/integrity-with-crawford-loritts.mp3" length="56041196" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[We wrap our series, Love Rules, around the 10 commandments and how God’s love is a pathway to freedom rather than a restriction on our life. Jeff and Laura sit down with longtime friend, Crawford Loritts, to examine the last three commandments and look at them through the lenses of humility and contentment. We hope this conversation is a blessing to you as you listen and believe that you are truly loved by God the Father, that He is enough and giving you what’s best for your life.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Integrity with Crawford Loritts</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>38:43</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[We wrap our series, Love Rules, around the 10 commandments and how God’s love is a pathway to freedom rather than a restriction on our life. Jeff and Laura sit down with longtime friend, Crawford Loritts, to examine the last three commandments and look at them through the lenses of humility and contentment. We hope this conversation is a blessing to you as you listen and believe that you are truly loved by God the Father, that He is enough and giving you what’s best for your life.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Marriage and Matters of the Heart with Erin Smalley</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/marriage-and-matters-of-the-heart-with-erin-smalley/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5366</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today's episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington continue to walk through the 10 commandments, camping out around commandments six and seven. They are joined by Erin Smalley, Licensed Professional Counselor and strategic spokesperson for Focus on the Family. Together they explore God’s heart for the covenant of marriage and how we can guard our hearts from bitterness and anger. She gives practical ways to show up for your spouse and resist the drift that comes with the pressures of everyday life.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In todays episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington continue to walk through the 10 commandments, camping out around commandments six and seven. They are joined by Erin Smalley, Licensed Professional Counselor and strategic spokesperson for Focus on the F]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Marriage and Matters of the Heart with Erin Smalley]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today's episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington continue to walk through the 10 commandments, camping out around commandments six and seven. They are joined by Erin Smalley, Licensed Professional Counselor and strategic spokesperson for Focus on the Family. Together they explore God’s heart for the covenant of marriage and how we can guard our hearts from bitterness and anger. She gives practical ways to show up for your spouse and resist the drift that comes with the pressures of everyday life.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5366/marriage-and-matters-of-the-heart-with-erin-smalley.mp3" length="41505812" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington continue to walk through the 10 commandments, camping out around commandments six and seven. They are joined by Erin Smalley, Licensed Professional Counselor and strategic spokesperson for Focus on the Family. Together they explore God’s heart for the covenant of marriage and how we can guard our hearts from bitterness and anger. She gives practical ways to show up for your spouse and resist the drift that comes with the pressures of everyday life.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Marriage and Matters of the Heart with Erin Smalley</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>34:35</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today's episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Elvington continue to walk through the 10 commandments, camping out around commandments six and seven. They are joined by Erin Smalley, Licensed Professional Counselor and strategic spokesperson for Focus on the Family. Together they explore God’s heart for the covenant of marriage and how we can guard our hearts from bitterness and anger. She gives practical ways to show up for your spouse and resist the drift that comes with the pressures of everyday life.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Parenting and Marriage with David and Meg Robbins</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/parenting-and-marriage-with-david-and-meg-robbins/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5363</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, longtime friends David and Meg Robbins sit down with Jeff and Laura to discuss parenting and what that looks like through the lens of radical dependence upon the Lord. David and Meg share how we, as believers, face challenges and joys in marriage. Raising children helps build a bridge to share the gospel with an unbelieving world. The conversation also looks at the covenant of marriage and how it relates to the seventh commandment.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, longtime friends David and Meg Robbins sit down with Jeff and Laura to discuss parenting and what that looks like through the lens of radical dependence upon the Lord. David and Meg share how we, as believers, face challenges and joys in]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Parenting and Marriage with David and Meg Robbins]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, longtime friends David and Meg Robbins sit down with Jeff and Laura to discuss parenting and what that looks like through the lens of radical dependence upon the Lord. David and Meg share how we, as believers, face challenges and joys in marriage. Raising children helps build a bridge to share the gospel with an unbelieving world. The conversation also looks at the covenant of marriage and how it relates to the seventh commandment.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5363/parenting-and-marriage-with-david-and-meg-robbins.mp3" length="66430592" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, longtime friends David and Meg Robbins sit down with Jeff and Laura to discuss parenting and what that looks like through the lens of radical dependence upon the Lord. David and Meg share how we, as believers, face challenges and joys in marriage. Raising children helps build a bridge to share the gospel with an unbelieving world. The conversation also looks at the covenant of marriage and how it relates to the seventh commandment.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Parenting and Marriage with David and Meg Robbins</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>45:57</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, longtime friends David and Meg Robbins sit down with Jeff and Laura to discuss parenting and what that looks like through the lens of radical dependence upon the Lord. David and Meg share how we, as believers, face challenges and joys in marriage. Raising children helps build a bridge to share the gospel with an unbelieving world. The conversation also looks at the covenant of marriage and how it relates to the seventh commandment.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Honoring Our Mother and Father with Tim Elmore</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/honoring-our-mother-and-father-with-tim-elmore/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2023 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5358</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[We’ve seen how the first five commandments are vertical in nature (how we honor the Lord). Now we pivot to discuss the last five commandments which are horizontal in nature (how we interact with each other). In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with a longtime friend, Tim Elmore, to share insights on how parents can create a home environment that reflects the kingdom of God.

As Christians, we are called to love and honor our parents (Exodus 20:12). This not only applies to our relationship with our biological parents but also in how we parent our own children. Tim highlights the importance of building strong relationships with our kids, as it mirrors the heart of God and promotes human flourishing.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[We’ve seen how the first five commandments are vertical in nature (how we honor the Lord). Now we pivot to discuss the last five commandments which are horizontal in nature (how we interact with each other). In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down wi]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Honoring Our Mother and Father with Tim Elmore]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[We’ve seen how the first five commandments are vertical in nature (how we honor the Lord). Now we pivot to discuss the last five commandments which are horizontal in nature (how we interact with each other). In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with a longtime friend, Tim Elmore, to share insights on how parents can create a home environment that reflects the kingdom of God.

As Christians, we are called to love and honor our parents (Exodus 20:12). This not only applies to our relationship with our biological parents but also in how we parent our own children. Tim highlights the importance of building strong relationships with our kids, as it mirrors the heart of God and promotes human flourishing.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5358/honoring-our-mother-and-father-with-tim-elmore.mp3" length="48171123" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’ve seen how the first five commandments are vertical in nature (how we honor the Lord). Now we pivot to discuss the last five commandments which are horizontal in nature (how we interact with each other). In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with a longtime friend, Tim Elmore, to share insights on how parents can create a home environment that reflects the kingdom of God.

As Christians, we are called to love and honor our parents (Exodus 20:12). This not only applies to our relationship with our biological parents but also in how we parent our own children. Tim highlights the importance of building strong relationships with our kids, as it mirrors the heart of God and promotes human flourishing.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Honoring Our Mother and Father with Tim Elmore</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>33:11</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[We’ve seen how the first five commandments are vertical in nature (how we honor the Lord). Now we pivot to discuss the last five commandments which are horizontal in nature (how we interact with each other). In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with a longtime friend, Tim Elmore, to share insights on how parents can create a home environment that reflects the kingdom of God.

As Christians, we are called to love and honor our parents (Exodus 20:12). This not only applies to our relationship with our biological parents but also in how we parent our own children. Tim highlights the importance of building strong relationships with our kids, as it mirrors the heart of God and promotes human flourishing.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Lovable Law and Sabbath with Randy Pope</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/lovable-law-and-sabbath-with-randy-pope/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5356</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Perimeter Church’s founding pastor, Randy Pope, joins the conversation with Jeff and Laura to look at the 10 Commandments as a marriage covenant between God and His people. Randy gives a beautiful illustration of a covenant of grace as the reason behind the law. He focuses on commandment four where the Lord calls us to the keep the Sabbath day—a day of rest. This conversation helps us transform our way of thinking about a commandment that many see as restrictive to instead view it as renewing. Randy draws a connection of how the law is what enables us to love and enhances our love for others and for God Himself.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Perimeter Church’s founding pastor, Randy Pope, joins the conversation with Jeff and Laura to look at the 10 Commandments as a marriage covenant between God and His people. Randy gives a beautiful illustration of a covenant of grace as the reason behind ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Lovable Law and Sabbath with Randy Pope]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Perimeter Church’s founding pastor, Randy Pope, joins the conversation with Jeff and Laura to look at the 10 Commandments as a marriage covenant between God and His people. Randy gives a beautiful illustration of a covenant of grace as the reason behind the law. He focuses on commandment four where the Lord calls us to the keep the Sabbath day—a day of rest. This conversation helps us transform our way of thinking about a commandment that many see as restrictive to instead view it as renewing. Randy draws a connection of how the law is what enables us to love and enhances our love for others and for God Himself.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5356/lovable-law-and-sabbath-with-randy-pope.mp3" length="67605205" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Perimeter Church’s founding pastor, Randy Pope, joins the conversation with Jeff and Laura to look at the 10 Commandments as a marriage covenant between God and His people. Randy gives a beautiful illustration of a covenant of grace as the reason behind the law. He focuses on commandment four where the Lord calls us to the keep the Sabbath day—a day of rest. This conversation helps us transform our way of thinking about a commandment that many see as restrictive to instead view it as renewing. Randy draws a connection of how the law is what enables us to love and enhances our love for others and for God Himself.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Lovable Law and Sabbath with Randy Pope</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>46:56</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Perimeter Church’s founding pastor, Randy Pope, joins the conversation with Jeff and Laura to look at the 10 Commandments as a marriage covenant between God and His people. Randy gives a beautiful illustration of a covenant of grace as the reason behind the law. He focuses on commandment four where the Lord calls us to the keep the Sabbath day—a day of rest. This conversation helps us transform our way of thinking about a commandment that many see as restrictive to instead view it as renewing. Randy draws a connection of how the law is what enables us to love and enhances our love for others and for God Himself.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Human Limitation and the Sabbath with Kelly Kapic</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/human-limitation-and-the-sabbath-with-kelly-kapic/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5354</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, professor and Bible teacher, Kelly Kapic. They discuss the connection between our human limitations and God’s fourth commandment of honoring the Sabbath. Kelly explains that, as Christ followers, we need to view the commandments as grounded in God’s character and the goodness of how He made the world. We pray this episode prompts you to experience the Sabbath as not just a restful day off, but the practice of entering God's rest.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, professor and Bible teacher, Kelly Kapic. They discuss the connection between our human limitations and God’s fourth commandment of honoring the Sabbath. Kelly explains that, as Christ followers, w]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Human Limitation and the Sabbath with Kelly Kapic]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, professor and Bible teacher, Kelly Kapic. They discuss the connection between our human limitations and God’s fourth commandment of honoring the Sabbath. Kelly explains that, as Christ followers, we need to view the commandments as grounded in God’s character and the goodness of how He made the world. We pray this episode prompts you to experience the Sabbath as not just a restful day off, but the practice of entering God's rest.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5354/human-limitation-and-the-sabbath-with-kelly-kapic.mp3" length="61757235" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, professor and Bible teacher, Kelly Kapic. They discuss the connection between our human limitations and God’s fourth commandment of honoring the Sabbath. Kelly explains that, as Christ followers, we need to view the commandments as grounded in God’s character and the goodness of how He made the world. We pray this episode prompts you to experience the Sabbath as not just a restful day off, but the practice of entering God's rest.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Human Limitation and the Sabbath with Kelly Kapic</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>42:35</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today’s episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with author, professor and Bible teacher, Kelly Kapic. They discuss the connection between our human limitations and God’s fourth commandment of honoring the Sabbath. Kelly explains that, as Christ followers, we need to view the commandments as grounded in God’s character and the goodness of how He made the world. We pray this episode prompts you to experience the Sabbath as not just a restful day off, but the practice of entering God's rest.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Putting God First with Julius Kim</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/putting-god-first-with-julius-kim/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5352</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this conversation with Julius Kim, preacher and professor, Jeff and Laura continue their discussion of the 10 Commandments. Julius directs our thoughts toward the "who" of the 10 Commandments rather than focusing on the "what" of the set of God’s law. When our focus is shifted on God, the creator Himself, we begin to see the goodness of God and understand what it means to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. Julius gives us a beautiful picture of what it looks like to be in right relationship with God and the shalom, or peace, it brings to our lives.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this conversation with Julius Kim, preacher and professor, Jeff and Laura continue their discussion of the 10 Commandments. Julius directs our thoughts toward the who of the 10 Commandments rather than focusing on the what of the set of God’s law. Whe]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Putting God First with Julius Kim]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this conversation with Julius Kim, preacher and professor, Jeff and Laura continue their discussion of the 10 Commandments. Julius directs our thoughts toward the "who" of the 10 Commandments rather than focusing on the "what" of the set of God’s law. When our focus is shifted on God, the creator Himself, we begin to see the goodness of God and understand what it means to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. Julius gives us a beautiful picture of what it looks like to be in right relationship with God and the shalom, or peace, it brings to our lives.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5352/putting-god-first-with-julius-kim.mp3" length="57567363" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this conversation with Julius Kim, preacher and professor, Jeff and Laura continue their discussion of the 10 Commandments. Julius directs our thoughts toward the "who" of the 10 Commandments rather than focusing on the "what" of the set of God’s law. When our focus is shifted on God, the creator Himself, we begin to see the goodness of God and understand what it means to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. Julius gives us a beautiful picture of what it looks like to be in right relationship with God and the shalom, or peace, it brings to our lives.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Putting God First with Julius Kim</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>39:53</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this conversation with Julius Kim, preacher and professor, Jeff and Laura continue their discussion of the 10 Commandments. Julius directs our thoughts toward the "who" of the 10 Commandments rather than focusing on the "what" of the set of God’s law. When our focus is shifted on God, the creator Himself, we begin to see the goodness of God and understand what it means to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. Julius gives us a beautiful picture of what it looks like to be in right relationship with God and the shalom, or peace, it brings to our lives.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Introduction to the 10 Commandments with Alistair Begg</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/introduction-to-the-10-commandments-with-alistair-begg/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5350</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with pastor Alistair Begg to discuss how we can look at God’s law as more than just a list of rules to follow. Alistair takes us through how to look at the law of God as the tramways in which we live our lives as we put our faith and trust in Jesus.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with pastor Alistair Begg to discuss how we can look at God’s law as more than just a list of rules to follow. Alistair takes us through how to look at the law of God as the tramways in which we live our lives as ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Introduction to the 10 Commandments with Alistair Begg]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with pastor Alistair Begg to discuss how we can look at God’s law as more than just a list of rules to follow. Alistair takes us through how to look at the law of God as the tramways in which we live our lives as we put our faith and trust in Jesus.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5350/introduction-to-the-10-commandments-with-alistair-begg.mp3" length="47671264" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff and Laura sit down with pastor Alistair Begg to discuss how we can look at God’s law as more than just a list of rules to follow. Alistair takes us through how to look at the law of God as the tramways in which we live our lives as we put our faith and trust in Jesus.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>A Conversation on AI (Bonus Episode)</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[In this bonus episode, Josh King and John Morris tackle the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI) from their perspectives within the church and the marketplace. Using the Gospel Thread framework, they discuss the reality, responsibility, and redemption opportunity available in this groundbreaking technology. Their conversation is intended to be an example of how followers of Jesus can use the Gospel Thread to shape their approach to new technology. It is in no way meant to be an endorsement for or against AI, or any specific AI tools.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this bonus episode, Josh King and John Morris tackle the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI) from their perspectives within the church and the marketplace. Using the Gospel Thread framework, they discuss the reality, responsibility, and redemption]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[BONUS: A Conversation on AI with Josh King and John Morris]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this bonus episode, Josh King and John Morris tackle the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI) from their perspectives within the church and the marketplace. Using the Gospel Thread framework, they discuss the reality, responsibility, and redemption opportunity available in this groundbreaking technology. Their conversation is intended to be an example of how followers of Jesus can use the Gospel Thread to shape their approach to new technology. It is in no way meant to be an endorsement for or against AI, or any specific AI tools.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this bonus episode, Josh King and John Morris tackle the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI) from their perspectives within the church and the marketplace. Using the Gospel Thread framework, they discuss the reality, responsibility, and redemption opportunity available in this groundbreaking technology. Their conversation is intended to be an example of how followers of Jesus can use the Gospel Thread to shape their approach to new technology. It is in no way meant to be an endorsement for or against AI, or any specific AI tools.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this bonus episode, Josh King and John Morris tackle the subject of Artificial Intelligence (AI) from their perspectives within the church and the marketplace. Using the Gospel Thread framework, they discuss the reality, responsibility, and redemption opportunity available in this groundbreaking technology. Their conversation is intended to be an example of how followers of Jesus can use the Gospel Thread to shape their approach to new technology. It is in no way meant to be an endorsement for or against AI, or any specific AI tools.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Part 3</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/gospel-thread-in-the-digital-labyrinth-part-3/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[In part three of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris turn their attention to what John calls the redemption opportunity available to followers of Jesus who engage wisely with the digital landscape, as an extension of the gospel mission in the world today.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In part three of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris turn their attention to what John calls the redemption opportunity available to followers of Jesus who engage wisely with the digital landscape, as]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Gospel in a Digital Labyrinth Pt. 3 with Josh King and John Morris]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In part three of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris turn their attention to what John calls the redemption opportunity available to followers of Jesus who engage wisely with the digital landscape, as an extension of the gospel mission in the world today.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In part three of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris turn their attention to what John calls the redemption opportunity available to followers of Jesus who engage wisely with the digital landscape, as an extension of the gospel mission in the world today.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In part three of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris turn their attention to what John calls the redemption opportunity available to followers of Jesus who engage wisely with the digital landscape, as an extension of the gospel mission in the world today.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Part 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/gospel-thread-in-the-digital-labyrinth-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5379</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris discuss the responsibility of followers of Jesus when it comes to the intent of our hearts, the digital content we consume and produce, and the considerations we have to make about that content.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris discuss the responsibility of followers of Jesus when it comes to the intent of our hearts, the digital content we consume and produce, and the consi]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Gospel in a Digital Labyrinth Pt. 2 with Josh King and John Morris]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris discuss the responsibility of followers of Jesus when it comes to the intent of our hearts, the digital content we consume and produce, and the considerations we have to make about that content.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris discuss the responsibility of followers of Jesus when it comes to the intent of our hearts, the digital content we consume and produce, and the considerations we have to make about that content.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<image>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>27:11</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation on A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Josh King and John Morris discuss the responsibility of followers of Jesus when it comes to the intent of our hearts, the digital content we consume and produce, and the considerations we have to make about that content.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, Part 1</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/gospel-thread-in-the-digital-labyrinth-part-1/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5378</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Josh King and John Morris explore A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, a framework for engaging technology as followers of Christ in a digital landscape. In this first episode, Josh and John discuss the reality of the digital labyrinth, and how disciples of Jesus must start with a keen awareness of the digital landscape today, both the good and the bad.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Josh King and John Morris explore A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, a framework for engaging technology as followers of Christ in a digital landscape. In this first episode, Josh and John discuss the reality of the digital labyrinth, and how disc]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Gospel in a Digital Labyrinth Pt. 1 with John Morris and Josh King]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Josh King and John Morris explore A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, a framework for engaging technology as followers of Christ in a digital landscape. In this first episode, Josh and John discuss the reality of the digital labyrinth, and how disciples of Jesus must start with a keen awareness of the digital landscape today, both the good and the bad.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5378/gospel-thread-in-the-digital-labyrinth-part-1.mp3" length="39170297" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Josh King and John Morris explore A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, a framework for engaging technology as followers of Christ in a digital landscape. In this first episode, Josh and John discuss the reality of the digital labyrinth, and how disciples of Jesus must start with a keen awareness of the digital landscape today, both the good and the bad.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<image>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>23:58</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Josh King and John Morris explore A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth, a framework for engaging technology as followers of Christ in a digital landscape. In this first episode, Josh and John discuss the reality of the digital labyrinth, and how disciples of Jesus must start with a keen awareness of the digital landscape today, both the good and the bad.

You can download A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth at gospelthread.org.

Josh King is the Director of Communications at Perimeter Church in Johns Creek, GA. John Morris is the Executive Creative Director and Co-Owner of Maze Creative, as well as an elder at Perimeter Church.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>INTRO: The Gospel in a Digital Labyrinth</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/intro-the-gospel-in-a-digital-labyrinth/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2023 13:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=14036</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris previews the next four episodes of the Digging Deeper podcast, titled "A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth." This is a special mini-series based on the previous Faith & Technology episode, featuring John Morris and Josh King. John and Josh further discuss what it looks like for followers of Jesus to engage with the digital landscape in the world today. Get the e-book at gospelthread.org.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris previews the next four episodes of the Digging Deeper podcast, titled A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth. This is a special mini-series based on the previous Faith & Technology episode, featuring John Morris and Josh King. John and Josh]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[INTRO: The Gospel in a Digital Labyrinth]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris previews the next four episodes of the Digging Deeper podcast, titled "A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth." This is a special mini-series based on the previous Faith & Technology episode, featuring John Morris and Josh King. John and Josh further discuss what it looks like for followers of Jesus to engage with the digital landscape in the world today. Get the e-book at gospelthread.org.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/14036/intro-the-gospel-in-a-digital-labyrinth.mp3" length="1244812" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris previews the next four episodes of the Digging Deeper podcast, titled "A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth." This is a special mini-series based on the previous Faith & Technology episode, featuring John Morris and Josh King. John and Josh further discuss what it looks like for followers of Jesus to engage with the digital landscape in the world today. Get the e-book at gospelthread.org.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>1:09</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris previews the next four episodes of the Digging Deeper podcast, titled "A Gospel Thread in the Digital Labyrinth." This is a special mini-series based on the previous Faith & Technology episode, featuring John Morris and Josh King. John and Josh further discuss what it looks like for followers of Jesus to engage with the digital landscape in the world today. Get the e-book at gospelthread.org.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>BONUS: Faith &#038; Technology Part 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/bonus-episode-faith-and-technology-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2023 22:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5449</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[We are thrilled to present a bonus episode of Digging Deeper titled "Faith and." Jeff continues his conversation with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Director of Communications at Perimeter, as they delve into the impact of technology usage on our faith.

Throughout the episode, they offer practical applications on how to approach the digital realm with redemption and clarity. We hope this follow-up discussion provides you with useful tools to evaluate your technology platforms and ask yourself, "Does this technology allow me to be gospel-driven in my actions and thoughts?"]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[We are thrilled to present a bonus episode of Digging Deeper titled Faith and. Jeff continues his conversation with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Director of Communications at Perimeter, as they delve into ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>bonus</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Bonus: Faith and Technology Part 2]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[We are thrilled to present a bonus episode of Digging Deeper titled "Faith and." Jeff continues his conversation with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Director of Communications at Perimeter, as they delve into the impact of technology usage on our faith.

Throughout the episode, they offer practical applications on how to approach the digital realm with redemption and clarity. We hope this follow-up discussion provides you with useful tools to evaluate your technology platforms and ask yourself, "Does this technology allow me to be gospel-driven in my actions and thoughts?"]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5449/bonus-episode-faith-and-technology-part-2.mp3" length="31447163" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are thrilled to present a bonus episode of Digging Deeper titled "Faith and." Jeff continues his conversation with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Director of Communications at Perimeter, as they delve into the impact of technology usage on our faith.

Throughout the episode, they offer practical applications on how to approach the digital realm with redemption and clarity. We hope this follow-up discussion provides you with useful tools to evaluate your technology platforms and ask yourself, "Does this technology allow me to be gospel-driven in my actions and thoughts?"]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>BONUS: Faith &#038; Technology Part 2</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>50:01</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[We are thrilled to present a bonus episode of Digging Deeper titled "Faith and." Jeff continues his conversation with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Director of Communications at Perimeter, as they delve into the impact of technology usage on our faith.

Throughout the episode, they offer practical applications on how to approach the digital realm with redemption and clarity. We hope this follow-up discussion provides you with useful tools to evaluate your technology platforms and ask yourself, "Does this technology allow me to be gospel-driven in my actions and thoughts?"]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Singing</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-singing/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 22:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5447</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this last installment of the ‘Faith and’ series of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with songwriter and artist, Matt Papa, about how his faith intercepts his songwriting process. Listen and gain a behind-the-scenes understanding of many of the congregational songs that are sung weekly in churches across America. In this authentic and humorous chat, Jeff, Laura, and Matt address the tough questions and concerns around congregational music and what kinds of songs resonate with us as believers.

Our prayer is that this episode enlightens your faith in how the songs we sing are an expression of worship to our Creator.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this last installment of the ‘Faith and’ series of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with songwriter and artist, Matt Papa, about how his faith intercepts his songwriting process. Listen and gain a behind-the-scenes understanding of many of the cong]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Singing with Matt Papa]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this last installment of the ‘Faith and’ series of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with songwriter and artist, Matt Papa, about how his faith intercepts his songwriting process. Listen and gain a behind-the-scenes understanding of many of the congregational songs that are sung weekly in churches across America. In this authentic and humorous chat, Jeff, Laura, and Matt address the tough questions and concerns around congregational music and what kinds of songs resonate with us as believers.

Our prayer is that this episode enlightens your faith in how the songs we sing are an expression of worship to our Creator.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5447/faith-and-singing.mp3" length="47913913" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this last installment of the ‘Faith and’ series of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with songwriter and artist, Matt Papa, about how his faith intercepts his songwriting process. Listen and gain a behind-the-scenes understanding of many of the congregational songs that are sung weekly in churches across America. In this authentic and humorous chat, Jeff, Laura, and Matt address the tough questions and concerns around congregational music and what kinds of songs resonate with us as believers.

Our prayer is that this episode enlightens your faith in how the songs we sing are an expression of worship to our Creator.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Singing</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>50:01</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this last installment of the ‘Faith and’ series of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with songwriter and artist, Matt Papa, about how his faith intercepts his songwriting process. Listen and gain a behind-the-scenes understanding of many of the congregational songs that are sung weekly in churches across America. In this authentic and humorous chat, Jeff, Laura, and Matt address the tough questions and concerns around congregational music and what kinds of songs resonate with us as believers.

Our prayer is that this episode enlightens your faith in how the songs we sing are an expression of worship to our Creator.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; the Writing Process</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-the-writing-process/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2023 22:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5445</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with Trillia Newbell about her faith walk and how it’s been reflected in her writing. Trillia is the Acquisitions Director at Moody Publishers, an author of several books, and a Bible teacher from Tennessee.

Her funny, insightful, and affirming conversation with Jeff and Laura is a testament to the art of writing and how God uses everything—big and small—in the journey of faithful gospel living that each of us is called to.

We pray this episode will help you trust God with the whole of your work in concert with your God-given gifts.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with Trillia Newbell about her faith walk and how it’s been reflected in her writing. Trillia is the Acquisitions Director at Moody Publishers, an author of several books, and a Bible teacher from]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and the Writing Process with Trillia Newbell]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with Trillia Newbell about her faith walk and how it’s been reflected in her writing. Trillia is the Acquisitions Director at Moody Publishers, an author of several books, and a Bible teacher from Tennessee.

Her funny, insightful, and affirming conversation with Jeff and Laura is a testament to the art of writing and how God uses everything—big and small—in the journey of faithful gospel living that each of us is called to.

We pray this episode will help you trust God with the whole of your work in concert with your God-given gifts.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5445/faith-and-the-writing-process.mp3" length="45745930" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with Trillia Newbell about her faith walk and how it’s been reflected in her writing. Trillia is the Acquisitions Director at Moody Publishers, an author of several books, and a Bible teacher from Tennessee.

Her funny, insightful, and affirming conversation with Jeff and Laura is a testament to the art of writing and how God uses everything—big and small—in the journey of faithful gospel living that each of us is called to.

We pray this episode will help you trust God with the whole of your work in concert with your God-given gifts.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; the Writing Process</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>47:37</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura chat with Trillia Newbell about her faith walk and how it’s been reflected in her writing. Trillia is the Acquisitions Director at Moody Publishers, an author of several books, and a Bible teacher from Tennessee.

Her funny, insightful, and affirming conversation with Jeff and Laura is a testament to the art of writing and how God uses everything—big and small—in the journey of faithful gospel living that each of us is called to.

We pray this episode will help you trust God with the whole of your work in concert with your God-given gifts.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Emotional Health</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-emotional-health/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2023 18:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5410</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff is joined by Kelly Ward, Director of Compassion and Care at Perimeter Church, and Caleb Martin, Perimeter’s Men's Discipleship Director, to talk about emotional health in the context of our faith in Christ.

While mental health and emotional well-being aren't new to human history, the conversation has become more prevalent in our society after the pandemic. As believers, we have faith in a good God who is powerful and sovereign. This truth often leaves us feeling a lot of tension in our daily life. We pray this episode challenges you to realize emotional health isn't just about feeling good, but it's appropriately feeling the things that come into our life and into this broken world we live in.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff is joined by Kelly Ward, Director of Compassion and Care at Perimeter Church, and Caleb Martin, Perimeter’s Mens Discipleship Director, to talk about emotional health in the context of our faith in Christ.

While mental health and emotional well-b]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Emotional Health with Kelly Ward and Caleb Martin]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff is joined by Kelly Ward, Director of Compassion and Care at Perimeter Church, and Caleb Martin, Perimeter’s Men's Discipleship Director, to talk about emotional health in the context of our faith in Christ.

While mental health and emotional well-being aren't new to human history, the conversation has become more prevalent in our society after the pandemic. As believers, we have faith in a good God who is powerful and sovereign. This truth often leaves us feeling a lot of tension in our daily life. We pray this episode challenges you to realize emotional health isn't just about feeling good, but it's appropriately feeling the things that come into our life and into this broken world we live in.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5410/faith-and-emotional-health.mp3" length="62331900" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff is joined by Kelly Ward, Director of Compassion and Care at Perimeter Church, and Caleb Martin, Perimeter’s Men's Discipleship Director, to talk about emotional health in the context of our faith in Christ.

While mental health and emotional well-being aren't new to human history, the conversation has become more prevalent in our society after the pandemic. As believers, we have faith in a good God who is powerful and sovereign. This truth often leaves us feeling a lot of tension in our daily life. We pray this episode challenges you to realize emotional health isn't just about feeling good, but it's appropriately feeling the things that come into our life and into this broken world we live in.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Emotional Health</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>51:53</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff is joined by Kelly Ward, Director of Compassion and Care at Perimeter Church, and Caleb Martin, Perimeter’s Men's Discipleship Director, to talk about emotional health in the context of our faith in Christ.

While mental health and emotional well-being aren't new to human history, the conversation has become more prevalent in our society after the pandemic. As believers, we have faith in a good God who is powerful and sovereign. This truth often leaves us feeling a lot of tension in our daily life. We pray this episode challenges you to realize emotional health isn't just about feeling good, but it's appropriately feeling the things that come into our life and into this broken world we live in.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Pastoral Ministry</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-pastoral-ministry/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2023 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5408</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Bryan Chapell, pastor and Stated Clerk of the PCA. Whether you are in full-time vocational ministry or someone who ministers in their home and community, this conversation challenges all believers to let our actions be filled with the aroma of Christ in both word and deed.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Bryan Chapell, pastor and Stated Clerk of the PCA. Whether you are in full-time vocational ministry or someone who ministers in their home and community, this conversation challenges all bel]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Pastoral Ministry with Bryan Chapell]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Bryan Chapell, pastor and Stated Clerk of the PCA. Whether you are in full-time vocational ministry or someone who ministers in their home and community, this conversation challenges all believers to let our actions be filled with the aroma of Christ in both word and deed.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5408/faith-and-pastoral-ministry.mp3" length="57406772" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Bryan Chapell, pastor and Stated Clerk of the PCA. Whether you are in full-time vocational ministry or someone who ministers in their home and community, this conversation challenges all believers to let our actions be filled with the aroma of Christ in both word and deed.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Pastoral Ministry</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>47:50</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff and Laura are joined by Bryan Chapell, pastor and Stated Clerk of the PCA. Whether you are in full-time vocational ministry or someone who ministers in their home and community, this conversation challenges all believers to let our actions be filled with the aroma of Christ in both word and deed.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Work</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-work/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2023 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5405</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Our greatest gift to God is who we are becoming in Christ, and the work we are called to do Monday through Friday plays a big role. Today’s guest is Tom Nelson, pastor of Christ Community Church and founder of the Made to Flourish ministry. Listen as Tom shared how work is a major thread of the redemptive story of God’s love. This episode is rich and insightful in how the work we do here on earth has an eternal impact.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did the Made to Flourish ministry begin?
How does our work play into the bigger redemptive story God has written for us?
When do we see work show up biblically and what is God’s design for work?
How does rest intersect with work?]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Our greatest gift to God is who we are becoming in Christ, and the work we are called to do Monday through Friday plays a big role. Today’s guest is Tom Nelson, pastor of Christ Community Church and founder of the Made to Flourish ministry. Listen as Tom]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Work with Tom Nelson]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Our greatest gift to God is who we are becoming in Christ, and the work we are called to do Monday through Friday plays a big role. Today’s guest is Tom Nelson, pastor of Christ Community Church and founder of the Made to Flourish ministry. Listen as Tom shared how work is a major thread of the redemptive story of God’s love. This episode is rich and insightful in how the work we do here on earth has an eternal impact.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did the Made to Flourish ministry begin?
How does our work play into the bigger redemptive story God has written for us?
When do we see work show up biblically and what is God’s design for work?
How does rest intersect with work?]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5405/faith-and-work.mp3" length="101285354" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Our greatest gift to God is who we are becoming in Christ, and the work we are called to do Monday through Friday plays a big role. Today’s guest is Tom Nelson, pastor of Christ Community Church and founder of the Made to Flourish ministry. Listen as Tom shared how work is a major thread of the redemptive story of God’s love. This episode is rich and insightful in how the work we do here on earth has an eternal impact.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did the Made to Flourish ministry begin?
How does our work play into the bigger redemptive story God has written for us?
When do we see work show up biblically and what is God’s design for work?
How does rest intersect with work?]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Work</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>52:28</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Our greatest gift to God is who we are becoming in Christ, and the work we are called to do Monday through Friday plays a big role. Today’s guest is Tom Nelson, pastor of Christ Community Church and founder of the Made to Flourish ministry. Listen as Tom shared how work is a major thread of the redemptive story of God’s love. This episode is rich and insightful in how the work we do here on earth has an eternal impact.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did the Made to Flourish ministry begin?
How does our work play into the bigger redemptive story God has written for us?
When do we see work show up biblically and what is God’s design for work?
How does rest intersect with work?]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Technology</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-technology/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2023 16:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5388</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris sits down with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Communications Director at Perimeter, to talk about our technology impacts our faith. In this conversation, they take a deep dive into how the technology we consume really does disciple us and how our faith is influenced by the digital landscape.

Questions Covered in This Episode:
How do we, as Christians, approach technology?
How do you define the digital landscape?
Where do you see believers getting caught up the most and technology begins to drive their lives rather than vice versa?
How do we begin to engage this digital age in redemptive ways, and what does that begin to look like?]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris sits down with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Communications Director at Perimeter, to talk about our technology impacts our faith. In this conversation, the]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Technology with John and Brianna Morris and Josh King]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris sits down with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Communications Director at Perimeter, to talk about our technology impacts our faith. In this conversation, they take a deep dive into how the technology we consume really does disciple us and how our faith is influenced by the digital landscape.

Questions Covered in This Episode:
How do we, as Christians, approach technology?
How do you define the digital landscape?
Where do you see believers getting caught up the most and technology begins to drive their lives rather than vice versa?
How do we begin to engage this digital age in redemptive ways, and what does that begin to look like?]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5388/faith-and-technology.mp3" length="42770470" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris sits down with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Communications Director at Perimeter, to talk about our technology impacts our faith. In this conversation, they take a deep dive into how the technology we consume really does disciple us and how our faith is influenced by the digital landscape.

Questions Covered in This Episode:
How do we, as Christians, approach technology?
How do you define the digital landscape?
Where do you see believers getting caught up the most and technology begins to drive their lives rather than vice versa?
How do we begin to engage this digital age in redemptive ways, and what does that begin to look like?]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Technology</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>43:58</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In today’s episode of Digging Deeper, Jeff Norris sits down with John and Brianna Morris, Executive Directors of Maze Creative, and Josh King, Communications Director at Perimeter, to talk about our technology impacts our faith. In this conversation, they take a deep dive into how the technology we consume really does disciple us and how our faith is influenced by the digital landscape.

Questions Covered in This Episode:
How do we, as Christians, approach technology?
How do you define the digital landscape?
Where do you see believers getting caught up the most and technology begins to drive their lives rather than vice versa?
How do we begin to engage this digital age in redemptive ways, and what does that begin to look like?]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
</item>

<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Sanctification</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-sanctification/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2023 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5386</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[What is sanctification? In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with pastor and author, Dane Ortlund, to discuss questions around the big word "sanctification" and how we can understand it and apply it to our everyday faith. 

Many of us approach sanctification from a misconception of "How do I change myself?" instead of "How does God change me?" Be encouraged as you listen to how sanctification makes you more into the person God created you to be.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

What are some of the greatest misconceptions about sanctification?
Where do faith and sanctification intersect? How about grace and sanctification? Doesn’t God love us just the way we are?
Are there ways the church is missing the mark in over-emphasizing or under-emphasizing sanctification?]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[What is sanctification? In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with pastor and author, Dane Ortlund, to discuss questions around the big word sanctification and how we can understand it and apply it to our everyday faith. 

Man]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Sanctification with Dane Ortlund]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[What is sanctification? In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with pastor and author, Dane Ortlund, to discuss questions around the big word "sanctification" and how we can understand it and apply it to our everyday faith. 

Many of us approach sanctification from a misconception of "How do I change myself?" instead of "How does God change me?" Be encouraged as you listen to how sanctification makes you more into the person God created you to be.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

What are some of the greatest misconceptions about sanctification?
Where do faith and sanctification intersect? How about grace and sanctification? Doesn’t God love us just the way we are?
Are there ways the church is missing the mark in over-emphasizing or under-emphasizing sanctification?]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/5386/faith-and-sanctification.mp3" length="46553699" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[What is sanctification? In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with pastor and author, Dane Ortlund, to discuss questions around the big word "sanctification" and how we can understand it and apply it to our everyday faith. 

Many of us approach sanctification from a misconception of "How do I change myself?" instead of "How does God change me?" Be encouraged as you listen to how sanctification makes you more into the person God created you to be.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

What are some of the greatest misconceptions about sanctification?
Where do faith and sanctification intersect? How about grace and sanctification? Doesn’t God love us just the way we are?
Are there ways the church is missing the mark in over-emphasizing or under-emphasizing sanctification?]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
		<url>https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png</url>
		<title>Faith &#038; Sanctification</title>
	</image>
	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>47:53</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[What is sanctification? In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington sit down with pastor and author, Dane Ortlund, to discuss questions around the big word "sanctification" and how we can understand it and apply it to our everyday faith. 

Many of us approach sanctification from a misconception of "How do I change myself?" instead of "How does God change me?" Be encouraged as you listen to how sanctification makes you more into the person God created you to be.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

What are some of the greatest misconceptions about sanctification?
Where do faith and sanctification intersect? How about grace and sanctification? Doesn’t God love us just the way we are?
Are there ways the church is missing the mark in over-emphasizing or under-emphasizing sanctification?]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; the Bible</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-the-bible/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2023 16:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5384</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff Norris talks with Jen Wilkin, Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas, and author of "Ten Words to Live By", and "Women of the Word." They discuss biblical literacy in today's church and what's at stake when believers don't know the scriptures. Jen shares how we can develop rhythms and habits to become a student of the Word.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did Jen become impassioned about Bible literacy? Have you seen a decrease in biblical literacy in today’s church?
What is the real loss when believers don’t know the scriptures? What’s at stake?
How do we read the Bible without a hyper individualistic mindset?
For someone who admits they don’t know the bible as well as they need to, where might they begin?
What rhythms and habits must one adopt to become a student of the Word?]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff Norris talks with Jen Wilkin, Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas, and author of Ten Words to Live By, and Women of the Word. They discuss biblical literacy in todays church and whats at stake when believers dont know the scriptures. J]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and the Bible with Jen Wilkin]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff Norris talks with Jen Wilkin, Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas, and author of "Ten Words to Live By", and "Women of the Word." They discuss biblical literacy in today's church and what's at stake when believers don't know the scriptures. Jen shares how we can develop rhythms and habits to become a student of the Word.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did Jen become impassioned about Bible literacy? Have you seen a decrease in biblical literacy in today’s church?
What is the real loss when believers don’t know the scriptures? What’s at stake?
How do we read the Bible without a hyper individualistic mindset?
For someone who admits they don’t know the bible as well as they need to, where might they begin?
What rhythms and habits must one adopt to become a student of the Word?]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff Norris talks with Jen Wilkin, Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas, and author of "Ten Words to Live By", and "Women of the Word." They discuss biblical literacy in today's church and what's at stake when believers don't know the scriptures. Jen shares how we can develop rhythms and habits to become a student of the Word.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did Jen become impassioned about Bible literacy? Have you seen a decrease in biblical literacy in today’s church?
What is the real loss when believers don’t know the scriptures? What’s at stake?
How do we read the Bible without a hyper individualistic mindset?
For someone who admits they don’t know the bible as well as they need to, where might they begin?
What rhythms and habits must one adopt to become a student of the Word?]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, Jeff Norris talks with Jen Wilkin, Bible teacher from Dallas, Texas, and author of "Ten Words to Live By", and "Women of the Word." They discuss biblical literacy in today's church and what's at stake when believers don't know the scriptures. Jen shares how we can develop rhythms and habits to become a student of the Word.

Questions Covered in This Episode:

How did Jen become impassioned about Bible literacy? Have you seen a decrease in biblical literacy in today’s church?
What is the real loss when believers don’t know the scriptures? What’s at stake?
How do we read the Bible without a hyper individualistic mindset?
For someone who admits they don’t know the bible as well as they need to, where might they begin?
What rhythms and habits must one adopt to become a student of the Word?]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Faith &#038; Culture</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/faith-and-culture/</link>
	<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 16:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=5382</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[There's an incongruence in the title of this series: by separating our faith from everything else in life, it ceases to be true, biblical faith. The very essence of faith affects every aspect of our lives.
In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington talk with Collin Hansen, vice president for content and editor-in-chief of The Gospel Coalition, and executive director of The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. They discuss what faith looks like in today's culture, how to reach the next generation who may be disillusioned with the idea of faith, and how media plays a role in our faith, for better or worse.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
What does faith look like in today’s culture? Describe this cultural moment.
How do we reach the next generation who may feel disillusioned with “faith?"
What role does media play in our faith, for better or worse?]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Theres an incongruence in the title of this series: by separating our faith from everything else in life, it ceases to be true, biblical faith. The very essence of faith affects every aspect of our lives.
In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elv]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Faith and Culture with Collin Hansen]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[There's an incongruence in the title of this series: by separating our faith from everything else in life, it ceases to be true, biblical faith. The very essence of faith affects every aspect of our lives.
In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington talk with Collin Hansen, vice president for content and editor-in-chief of The Gospel Coalition, and executive director of The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. They discuss what faith looks like in today's culture, how to reach the next generation who may be disillusioned with the idea of faith, and how media plays a role in our faith, for better or worse.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
What does faith look like in today’s culture? Describe this cultural moment.
How do we reach the next generation who may feel disillusioned with “faith?"
What role does media play in our faith, for better or worse?]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[There's an incongruence in the title of this series: by separating our faith from everything else in life, it ceases to be true, biblical faith. The very essence of faith affects every aspect of our lives.
In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington talk with Collin Hansen, vice president for content and editor-in-chief of The Gospel Coalition, and executive director of The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. They discuss what faith looks like in today's culture, how to reach the next generation who may be disillusioned with the idea of faith, and how media plays a role in our faith, for better or worse.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
What does faith look like in today’s culture? Describe this cultural moment.
How do we reach the next generation who may feel disillusioned with “faith?"
What role does media play in our faith, for better or worse?]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[There's an incongruence in the title of this series: by separating our faith from everything else in life, it ceases to be true, biblical faith. The very essence of faith affects every aspect of our lives.
In this episode, Jeff Norris and Laura Story Elvington talk with Collin Hansen, vice president for content and editor-in-chief of The Gospel Coalition, and executive director of The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics. They discuss what faith looks like in today's culture, how to reach the next generation who may be disillusioned with the idea of faith, and how media plays a role in our faith, for better or worse.
Questions Covered in This Episode:
What does faith look like in today’s culture? Describe this cultural moment.
How do we reach the next generation who may feel disillusioned with “faith?"
What role does media play in our faith, for better or worse?]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>By Design: A Conversation with Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn, Part 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/by-design-a-conversation-with-jeff-and-shaunti-feldhahn-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2022 16:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13978</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation, the Feldhahns and Jeff Norris explore the heart-level questions of men and women and how God's design is revealed even in the Garden of Eden.
Watch the video version on the Perimeter Church YouTube channel.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation, the Feldhahns and Jeff Norris explore the heart-level questions of men and women and how Gods design is revealed even in the Garden of Eden.
Watch the video version on the Perimeter Church YouTube channel.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[By Design: A Conversation with Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn, Part 2]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation, the Feldhahns and Jeff Norris explore the heart-level questions of men and women and how God's design is revealed even in the Garden of Eden.
Watch the video version on the Perimeter Church YouTube channel.]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/13978/by-design-a-conversation-with-jeff-and-shaunti-feldhahn-part-2.mp3" length="32239596" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation, the Feldhahns and Jeff Norris explore the heart-level questions of men and women and how God's design is revealed even in the Garden of Eden.
Watch the video version on the Perimeter Church YouTube channel.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In part two of their conversation, the Feldhahns and Jeff Norris explore the heart-level questions of men and women and how God's design is revealed even in the Garden of Eden.
Watch the video version on the Perimeter Church YouTube channel.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>By Design: A Conversation with Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn, Part 1</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/by-design-a-conversation-with-jeff-and-shaunti-feldhahn-part-1/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2022 13:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13977</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this episode, we talk about what to do when you and your spouse feel disconnected in conflict, the common mistakes couples make when trying to love each other, and how to better show appreciation and love in everyday life. Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn have been long-time members of Perimeter and have devoted many years to traveling the country speaking on the topic of marriage and their research on the simple things that cause marriages to fall apart.

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's books and resources at shaunti.com]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this episode, we talk about what to do when you and your spouse feel disconnected in conflict, the common mistakes couples make when trying to love each other, and how to better show appreciation and love in everyday life. Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn ha]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[By Design: A Conversation with Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn, Part 1]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this episode, we talk about what to do when you and your spouse feel disconnected in conflict, the common mistakes couples make when trying to love each other, and how to better show appreciation and love in everyday life. Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn have been long-time members of Perimeter and have devoted many years to traveling the country speaking on the topic of marriage and their research on the simple things that cause marriages to fall apart.

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's books and resources at shaunti.com]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/13977/by-design-a-conversation-with-jeff-and-shaunti-feldhahn-part-1.mp3" length="54930451" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, we talk about what to do when you and your spouse feel disconnected in conflict, the common mistakes couples make when trying to love each other, and how to better show appreciation and love in everyday life. Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn have been long-time members of Perimeter and have devoted many years to traveling the country speaking on the topic of marriage and their research on the simple things that cause marriages to fall apart.

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's books and resources at shaunti.com]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>45:47</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[In this episode, we talk about what to do when you and your spouse feel disconnected in conflict, the common mistakes couples make when trying to love each other, and how to better show appreciation and love in everyday life. Jeff and Shaunti Feldhahn have been long-time members of Perimeter and have devoted many years to traveling the country speaking on the topic of marriage and their research on the simple things that cause marriages to fall apart.

Related Resources:

Learn more about Jeff and Shaunti's books and resources at shaunti.com]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>By Design: A Conversation with Scott Sauls</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/by-design-a-conversation-with-scott-sauls/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13973</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with pastor and author Scott Sauls about how the Church can respond to cultural questions around sexuality with compassion and conviction.

Related Resources:

Matthew 23, Luke 15:11-23, Mark 10:17-27
Book: "Beautiful People Don't Just Happen" by Scott Sauls
View books mentioned in the By Design sermon series at bookstore.perimeter.org
Watch the sermons from the By Design teaching series at perimeter.org/sermons
]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with pastor and author Scott Sauls about how the Church can respond to cultural questions around sexuality with compassion and conviction.

Related Resources:

Matthew 23, Luke 15:11-23, Mark 10:17-27
Book: Beautiful People Dont Ju]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[By Design: A Conversation with Scott Sauls]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with pastor and author Scott Sauls about how the Church can respond to cultural questions around sexuality with compassion and conviction.

Related Resources:

Matthew 23, Luke 15:11-23, Mark 10:17-27
Book: "Beautiful People Don't Just Happen" by Scott Sauls
View books mentioned in the By Design sermon series at bookstore.perimeter.org
Watch the sermons from the By Design teaching series at perimeter.org/sermons
]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with pastor and author Scott Sauls about how the Church can respond to cultural questions around sexuality with compassion and conviction.

Related Resources:

Matthew 23, Luke 15:11-23, Mark 10:17-27
Book: "Beautiful People Don't Just Happen" by Scott Sauls
View books mentioned in the By Design sermon series at bookstore.perimeter.org
Watch the sermons from the By Design teaching series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>33:43</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with pastor and author Scott Sauls about how the Church can respond to cultural questions around sexuality with compassion and conviction.

Related Resources:

Matthew 23, Luke 15:11-23, Mark 10:17-27
Book: "Beautiful People Don't Just Happen" by Scott Sauls
View books mentioned in the By Design sermon series at bookstore.perimeter.org
Watch the sermons from the By Design teaching series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>By Design: A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey, Part 2</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/by-design-a-conversation-with-nancy-pearcey-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2022 17:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13972</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Nancy Pearcey continue their conversation on sexuality, discussing how Christians can approach sensitive topics with both love and faithfulness to Scripture.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons
]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Nancy Pearcey continue their conversation on sexuality, discussing how Christians can approach sensitive topics with both love and faithfulness to Scripture.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, t]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[By Design: A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey, Part 2]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Nancy Pearcey continue their conversation on sexuality, discussing how Christians can approach sensitive topics with both love and faithfulness to Scripture.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons
]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Nancy Pearcey continue their conversation on sexuality, discussing how Christians can approach sensitive topics with both love and faithfulness to Scripture.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>38:18</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Nancy Pearcey continue their conversation on sexuality, discussing how Christians can approach sensitive topics with both love and faithfulness to Scripture.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>By Design: A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey, Part 1</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/by-design-a-conversation-with-nancy-pearcey-part-1/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13969</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with author Nancy Pearcey about God's design for sexuality and how believers can engage culture with biblical truth and grace.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with author Nancy Pearcey about Gods design for sexuality and how believers can engage culture with biblical truth and grace.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Ch]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[By Design: A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey, Part 1]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with author Nancy Pearcey about God's design for sexuality and how believers can engage culture with biblical truth and grace.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></content:encoded>
	<enclosure url="https://www.perimeter.org/podcast-download/13969/by-design-a-conversation-with-nancy-pearcey-part-1.mp3" length="68036687" type="audio/mpeg"></enclosure>
	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with author Nancy Pearcey about God's design for sexuality and how believers can engage culture with biblical truth and grace.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris talks with author Nancy Pearcey about God's design for sexuality and how believers can engage culture with biblical truth and grace.

We hope listening to this series encourages you as we look at God’s design, the culture’s design and the Church’s response.

Related Resources:

Book: "Love Thy Body" by Nancy Pearcey
Book: "Total Truth" by Nancy Pearcey
Watch the sermons from the By Design series at perimeter.org/sermons]]></googleplay:description>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>The Importance of the Incarnation and Why it Matters</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-importance-of-the-incarnation-and-why-it-matters/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and theologian Dr. Michael Reeves dive into the significance of the incarnation—what it means that God became man and why it should shape how we live as believers.

Quotes:

“If you had a view of God that doesn't look like Jesus, that view of God was wrong.” — Michael Reeves
“The glory of this God is like a radiant, outshining light.” — Jeff Norris
“We can't think about the incarnation and look back without also thinking forward to the coming of Christ again.”  — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Books: "Delighting in the Trinity" and "Rejoicing in Christ" by Michael Reeves
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and theologian Dr. Michael Reeves dive into the significance of the incarnation—what it means that God became man and why it should shape how we live as believers.

Quotes:

“If you had a view of God that doesnt look like Jesus, that view]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Importance of the Incarnation and Why it Matters with Dr. Michael Reeves]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and theologian Dr. Michael Reeves dive into the significance of the incarnation—what it means that God became man and why it should shape how we live as believers.

Quotes:

“If you had a view of God that doesn't look like Jesus, that view of God was wrong.” — Michael Reeves
“The glory of this God is like a radiant, outshining light.” — Jeff Norris
“We can't think about the incarnation and look back without also thinking forward to the coming of Christ again.”  — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Books: "Delighting in the Trinity" and "Rejoicing in Christ" by Michael Reeves
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and theologian Dr. Michael Reeves dive into the significance of the incarnation—what it means that God became man and why it should shape how we live as believers.

Quotes:

“If you had a view of God that doesn't look like Jesus, that view of God was wrong.” — Michael Reeves
“The glory of this God is like a radiant, outshining light.” — Jeff Norris
“We can't think about the incarnation and look back without also thinking forward to the coming of Christ again.”  — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Books: "Delighting in the Trinity" and "Rejoicing in Christ" by Michael Reeves
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></itunes:summary>
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Quotes:

“If you had a view of God that doesn't look like Jesus, that view of God was wrong.” — Michael Reeves
“The glory of this God is like a radiant, outshining light.” — Jeff Norris
“We can't think about the incarnation and look back without also thinking forward to the coming of Christ again.”  — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Books: "Delighting in the Trinity" and "Rejoicing in Christ" by Michael Reeves
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>The Mystery of the Incarnation is the Intimacy of God</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-mystery-of-the-incarnation-is-the-intimacy-of-god/</link>
	<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13967</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[In this Advent special, Jeff Norris and Dr. Bryan Chapell explore the incarnation—why Jesus came to us as a baby and what that reveals about God's intimate love. May this Advent season stir your heart with awe and affection for Christ, who came near.

Quotes:

“The uniqueness (of Christianity) is that every other religion says that, either by your performance or some state of consciousness, you have to work your way up to God. But Christianity is the only religion that says no, God actually came down to you. We don't lift the ladder up, God lowered the ladder down.” — Bryan Chapell
“Sometimes it's good to ask God: ‘God, arouse my affections. Stir within me the joy of the reality of the incarnation.’” — Jeff Norris
"He must fully be God in order to save us. He must fully be human in order to love us." — Bryan Chapell

Related Resources:

Philippians 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1
Book and Course: "Christ-centered Preaching" by Bryan Chapell
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[In this Advent special, Jeff Norris and Dr. Bryan Chapell explore the incarnation—why Jesus came to us as a baby and what that reveals about Gods intimate love. May this Advent season stir your heart with awe and affection for Christ, who came near.

Q]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Mystery of the Incarnation is the Intimacy of God with Dr. Bryan Chapell]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[In this Advent special, Jeff Norris and Dr. Bryan Chapell explore the incarnation—why Jesus came to us as a baby and what that reveals about God's intimate love. May this Advent season stir your heart with awe and affection for Christ, who came near.

Quotes:

“The uniqueness (of Christianity) is that every other religion says that, either by your performance or some state of consciousness, you have to work your way up to God. But Christianity is the only religion that says no, God actually came down to you. We don't lift the ladder up, God lowered the ladder down.” — Bryan Chapell
“Sometimes it's good to ask God: ‘God, arouse my affections. Stir within me the joy of the reality of the incarnation.’” — Jeff Norris
"He must fully be God in order to save us. He must fully be human in order to love us." — Bryan Chapell

Related Resources:

Philippians 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1
Book and Course: "Christ-centered Preaching" by Bryan Chapell
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Advent special, Jeff Norris and Dr. Bryan Chapell explore the incarnation—why Jesus came to us as a baby and what that reveals about God's intimate love. May this Advent season stir your heart with awe and affection for Christ, who came near.

Quotes:

“The uniqueness (of Christianity) is that every other religion says that, either by your performance or some state of consciousness, you have to work your way up to God. But Christianity is the only religion that says no, God actually came down to you. We don't lift the ladder up, God lowered the ladder down.” — Bryan Chapell
“Sometimes it's good to ask God: ‘God, arouse my affections. Stir within me the joy of the reality of the incarnation.’” — Jeff Norris
"He must fully be God in order to save us. He must fully be human in order to love us." — Bryan Chapell

Related Resources:

Philippians 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1
Book and Course: "Christ-centered Preaching" by Bryan Chapell
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, God With Us, at perimeter.org/sermons]]></itunes:summary>
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Quotes:

“The uniqueness (of Christianity) is that every other religion says that, either by your performance or some state of consciousness, you have to work your way up to God. But Christianity is the only religion that says no, God actually came down to you. We don't lift the ladder up, God lowered the ladder down.” — Bryan Chapell
“Sometimes it's good to ask God: ‘God, arouse my affections. Stir within me the joy of the reality of the incarnation.’” — Jeff Norris
"He must fully be God in order to save us. He must fully be human in order to love us." — Bryan Chapell

Related Resources:

Philippians 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1
Book and Course: "Christ-centered Preaching" by Bryan Chapell
Watch our 2021 Advent sermon series, ]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Worship Together</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/worship-together/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13966</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Why is it beneficial to worship together? In this episode, Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Laura Story Elvington reflect on the Church’s regathering after the pandemic and the importance of weekly corporate worship. He unpacks why gathering as God's people is not just a tradition—but a vital expression of our faith.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Why is it beneficial to worship together? In this episode, Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Laura Story Elvington reflect on the Church’s regathering after the pandemic and the importance of weekly corporate worship. He unpacks why gathering as Gods people ]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Worship Together, with Caleb Click and Laura Story Elvington]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Why is it beneficial to worship together? In this episode, Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Laura Story Elvington reflect on the Church’s regathering after the pandemic and the importance of weekly corporate worship. He unpacks why gathering as God's people is not just a tradition—but a vital expression of our faith.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Why is it beneficial to worship together? In this episode, Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Laura Story Elvington reflect on the Church’s regathering after the pandemic and the importance of weekly corporate worship. He unpacks why gathering as God's people is not just a tradition—but a vital expression of our faith.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>47:16</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Why is it beneficial to worship together? In this episode, Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Laura Story Elvington reflect on the Church’s regathering after the pandemic and the importance of weekly corporate worship. He unpacks why gathering as God's people is not just a tradition—but a vital expression of our faith.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Exodus: Provision in the Wilderness</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/exodus-provision-in-the-wilderness/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13684</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo wrap up their study of Exodus, focusing on chapters 16–20 and the Ten Commandments. They explore how God's law, viewed through the lens of grace, reveals the heart of a loving Father who desires our flourishing.

Quotes:

“I have just sensed the Lord asking me many times over in my preparation to teach through this, ‘Jeff, do you love me? Because if you do, it's gonna be evident.’” — Jeff Norris
“The law doesn't create the relationship. The law is given to govern it.” — Caleb Click
“The law helps me understand what a flourishing life in Christ looks like because it shows me the heart of God.” — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "The Whole Christ" by Sinclair Ferguson
]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo wrap up their study of Exodus, focusing on chapters 16–20 and the Ten Commandments. They explore how Gods law, viewed through the lens of grace, reveals the heart of a loving Father who desires our flourishing.

]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Exodus: Provision in the Wilderness, with Caleb Click and Bob Cargo]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo wrap up their study of Exodus, focusing on chapters 16–20 and the Ten Commandments. They explore how God's law, viewed through the lens of grace, reveals the heart of a loving Father who desires our flourishing.

Quotes:

“I have just sensed the Lord asking me many times over in my preparation to teach through this, ‘Jeff, do you love me? Because if you do, it's gonna be evident.’” — Jeff Norris
“The law doesn't create the relationship. The law is given to govern it.” — Caleb Click
“The law helps me understand what a flourishing life in Christ looks like because it shows me the heart of God.” — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "The Whole Christ" by Sinclair Ferguson
]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo wrap up their study of Exodus, focusing on chapters 16–20 and the Ten Commandments. They explore how God's law, viewed through the lens of grace, reveals the heart of a loving Father who desires our flourishing.

Quotes:

“I have just sensed the Lord asking me many times over in my preparation to teach through this, ‘Jeff, do you love me? Because if you do, it's gonna be evident.’” — Jeff Norris
“The law doesn't create the relationship. The law is given to govern it.” — Caleb Click
“The law helps me understand what a flourishing life in Christ looks like because it shows me the heart of God.” — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "The Whole Christ" by Sinclair Ferguson]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo wrap up their study of Exodus, focusing on chapters 16–20 and the Ten Commandments. They explore how God's law, viewed through the lens of grace, reveals the heart of a loving Father who desires our flourishing.

Quotes:

“I have just sensed the Lord asking me many times over in my preparation to teach through this, ‘Jeff, do you love me? Because if you do, it's gonna be evident.’” — Jeff Norris
“The law doesn't create the relationship. The law is given to govern it.” — Caleb Click
“The law helps me understand what a flourishing life in Christ looks like because it shows me the heart of God.” — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "The Whole Christ" by Sinclair Ferguson]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>The Wilderness of Life</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-wilderness-of-life/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13682</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Life is filled with wilderness seasons, but in the midst of them, Jesus not only saves—He nourishes.

Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo dig into Exodus 16–17, exploring how the wilderness theme runs throughout Scripture—not just for the Israelites, but for us. They discuss the biblical understanding of wilderness as a metaphor for life’s struggles, the role of suffering in spiritual growth, and the importance of faith during challenging times. While life may feel like a wilderness, it is also a journey towards redemption and hope through Christ. Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons.

Quotes:

"The book of Exodus is just this beautiful microcosm of the greater story of redemption that God is telling for the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation." — Jeff Norris
"The wilderness is the place where we discover the full depth of our weakness, but also the sufficiency of God and His supply in Jesus Christ." — Caleb Click
"It makes me think of the promises of the 23rd Psalm, that our Shepherd is going to be with us through all these things. The 23rd Psalm does not paint the picture of rosy circumstances all the time. The sheep have to be led to the quiet waters and the green pastures, and they still go through the valley of the shadow of death. But our shepherd is with us, and that's the comfort." — Bob Cargo
"Sometimes suffering has to come so that we would become people who actually desire heaven and trust the Lord in the midst of those trying times." — Caleb Click]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Life is filled with wilderness seasons, but in the midst of them, Jesus not only saves—He nourishes.

Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo dig into Exodus 16–17, exploring how the wilderness theme runs throughout Scripture—not just for the Israelite]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Wilderness of Life, with Caleb Click and Bob Cargo]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Life is filled with wilderness seasons, but in the midst of them, Jesus not only saves—He nourishes.

Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo dig into Exodus 16–17, exploring how the wilderness theme runs throughout Scripture—not just for the Israelites, but for us. They discuss the biblical understanding of wilderness as a metaphor for life’s struggles, the role of suffering in spiritual growth, and the importance of faith during challenging times. While life may feel like a wilderness, it is also a journey towards redemption and hope through Christ. Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons.

Quotes:

"The book of Exodus is just this beautiful microcosm of the greater story of redemption that God is telling for the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation." — Jeff Norris
"The wilderness is the place where we discover the full depth of our weakness, but also the sufficiency of God and His supply in Jesus Christ." — Caleb Click
"It makes me think of the promises of the 23rd Psalm, that our Shepherd is going to be with us through all these things. The 23rd Psalm does not paint the picture of rosy circumstances all the time. The sheep have to be led to the quiet waters and the green pastures, and they still go through the valley of the shadow of death. But our shepherd is with us, and that's the comfort." — Bob Cargo
"Sometimes suffering has to come so that we would become people who actually desire heaven and trust the Lord in the midst of those trying times." — Caleb Click]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Life is filled with wilderness seasons, but in the midst of them, Jesus not only saves—He nourishes.

Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo dig into Exodus 16–17, exploring how the wilderness theme runs throughout Scripture—not just for the Israelites, but for us. They discuss the biblical understanding of wilderness as a metaphor for life’s struggles, the role of suffering in spiritual growth, and the importance of faith during challenging times. While life may feel like a wilderness, it is also a journey towards redemption and hope through Christ. Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons.

Quotes:

"The book of Exodus is just this beautiful microcosm of the greater story of redemption that God is telling for the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation." — Jeff Norris
"The wilderness is the place where we discover the full depth of our weakness, but also the sufficiency of God and His supply in Jesus Christ." — Caleb Click
"It makes me think of the promises of the 23rd Psalm, that our Shepherd is going to be with us through all these things. The 23rd Psalm does not paint the picture of rosy circumstances all the time. The sheep have to be led to the quiet waters and the green pastures, and they still go through the valley of the shadow of death. But our shepherd is with us, and that's the comfort." — Bob Cargo
"Sometimes suffering has to come so that we would become people who actually desire heaven and trust the Lord in the midst of those trying times." — Caleb Click]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Life is filled with wilderness seasons, but in the midst of them, Jesus not only saves—He nourishes.

Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo dig into Exodus 16–17, exploring how the wilderness theme runs throughout Scripture—not just for the Israelites, but for us. They discuss the biblical understanding of wilderness as a metaphor for life’s struggles, the role of suffering in spiritual growth, and the importance of faith during challenging times. While life may feel like a wilderness, it is also a journey towards redemption and hope through Christ. Listen to the Exodus sermon series (part two, 2021) at perimeter.org/sermons.

Quotes:

"The book of Exodus is just this beautiful microcosm of the greater story of redemption that God is telling for the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation." — Jeff Norris
"The wilderness is the place where we discover the full depth of our weakness, but also the sufficiency of God and His supply in Jesus Christ." — Caleb Click
"It makes me thi]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Heaven, Part 3</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/heaven-part-3/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13680</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Caleb Click continue their conversation with Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior pastor of Intown Community Church, diving deeper into what Scripture reveals about the new heavens and new earth—a future where we will see Jesus face to face.

They discuss the nature of resurrected bodies, the continuity of work and culture, and the expansive vision of God's redemptive plan. This episode invites listeners to imagine the future reality promised in scripture and its impact on our present lives and evangelism.

Quotes:

"What if part of eternity in the new heavens and earth is exploring all of the universe, not just earth? We have eternity, right?" — Jeff Norris
"Our work's going to continue, but it's going to be renewed. It's going to be without sin." — Travis Vaughn
"All those 'notes' are going to like each other because Jesus serves as the tuning fork that brings together the symphony of God's redemptive work." — Caleb Click

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As the Curse is Found" by Michael Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema
Book: "Heaven is a Place on Earth" by Michael Whitmer]]></description>
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	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Caleb Click continue their conversation with Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior pastor of Intown Community Church, diving deeper into what Scripture reveals about the new heavens and new earth—a future where we will see Jesus face to face.

They discuss the nature of resurrected bodies, the continuity of work and culture, and the expansive vision of God's redemptive plan. This episode invites listeners to imagine the future reality promised in scripture and its impact on our present lives and evangelism.

Quotes:

"What if part of eternity in the new heavens and earth is exploring all of the universe, not just earth? We have eternity, right?" — Jeff Norris
"Our work's going to continue, but it's going to be renewed. It's going to be without sin." — Travis Vaughn
"All those 'notes' are going to like each other because Jesus serves as the tuning fork that brings together the symphony of God's redemptive work." — Caleb Click

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As the Curse is Found" by Michael Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema
Book: "Heaven is a Place on Earth" by Michael Whitmer]]></content:encoded>
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They discuss the nature of resurrected bodies, the continuity of work and culture, and the expansive vision of God's redemptive plan. This episode invites listeners to imagine the future reality promised in scripture and its impact on our present lives and evangelism.

Quotes:

"What if part of eternity in the new heavens and earth is exploring all of the universe, not just earth? We have eternity, right?" — Jeff Norris
"Our work's going to continue, but it's going to be renewed. It's going to be without sin." — Travis Vaughn
"All those 'notes' are going to like each other because Jesus serves as the tuning fork that brings together the symphony of God's redemptive work." — Caleb Click

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As the Curse is Found" by Michael Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema
Book: "Heaven is a Place on Earth" by Michael Whitmer]]></itunes:summary>
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They discuss the nature of resurrected bodies, the continuity of work and culture, and the expansive vision of God's redemptive plan. This episode invites listeners to imagine the future reality promised in scripture and its impact on our present lives and evangelism.

Quotes:

"What if part of eternity in the new heavens and earth is exploring all of the universe, not just earth? We have eternity, right?" — Jeff Norris
"Our work's going to continue, but it's going to be renewed. It's going to be without sin." — Travis Vaughn
"All those 'notes' are going to like each other because Jesus serves as the tuning fork that brings together the symphony of God's redemptive work." — ]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Heaven, Part 2</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[Jesus has gone before us, and we live in anticipation of all things made new. In this continuing discussion about heaven, Jeff Norris and Caleb Click are joined by Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior pastor of Intown Community Church. They delve into the theological implications of renewal versus replacement, the continuity of creation, and the ultimate hope found in Christ.

This discussion challenges common misconceptions and encourages listeners to deepen their understanding of eternal life and the glory of God.

Quotes:

"If we want to see our future, we see it already in what Jesus has experienced on the third day." — Jimmy Agan
"God's intention doesn't change from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22." — Caleb Click
"How does thinking of heaven quicken my heart? How does this engage my imagination and stir affection and longing for the reality of what's to come?" — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As The Curse Is Found" by Michael D. Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jesus has gone before us, and we live in anticipation of all things made new. In this continuing discussion about heaven, Jeff Norris and Caleb Click are joined by Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior past]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Heaven, Part 2, with Caleb Click, Travis Vaughn and Jimmy Agan]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jesus has gone before us, and we live in anticipation of all things made new. In this continuing discussion about heaven, Jeff Norris and Caleb Click are joined by Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior pastor of Intown Community Church. They delve into the theological implications of renewal versus replacement, the continuity of creation, and the ultimate hope found in Christ.

This discussion challenges common misconceptions and encourages listeners to deepen their understanding of eternal life and the glory of God.

Quotes:

"If we want to see our future, we see it already in what Jesus has experienced on the third day." — Jimmy Agan
"God's intention doesn't change from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22." — Caleb Click
"How does thinking of heaven quicken my heart? How does this engage my imagination and stir affection and longing for the reality of what's to come?" — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As The Curse Is Found" by Michael D. Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jesus has gone before us, and we live in anticipation of all things made new. In this continuing discussion about heaven, Jeff Norris and Caleb Click are joined by Travis Vaughn, executive director of Metro Atlanta Collective, and Jimmy Agan, senior pastor of Intown Community Church. They delve into the theological implications of renewal versus replacement, the continuity of creation, and the ultimate hope found in Christ.

This discussion challenges common misconceptions and encourages listeners to deepen their understanding of eternal life and the glory of God.

Quotes:

"If we want to see our future, we see it already in what Jesus has experienced on the third day." — Jimmy Agan
"God's intention doesn't change from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22." — Caleb Click
"How does thinking of heaven quicken my heart? How does this engage my imagination and stir affection and longing for the reality of what's to come?" — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Far As The Curse Is Found" by Michael D. Williams
Book: "The Bible and the Future" by Anthony Hoekema]]></itunes:summary>
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This discussion challenges common misconceptions and encourages listeners to deepen their understanding of eternal life and the glory of God.

Quotes:

"If we want to see our future, we see it already in what Jesus has experienced on the third day." — Jimmy Agan
"God's intention doesn't change from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22." — Caleb Click
"How does thinking of heaven quicken my heart? How does this engage my imagination and stir affection and longing for the reality of what's to come?" — Jeff Norris

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon ]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Heaven, Part 1</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Join us in this episode of Digging Deeper as we explore profound questions about heaven, the afterlife, and the mysteries of Sheol. Hosted by Jeff Norris, with insights from Caleb Click and Eric Ryan, we delve into theological perspectives, scriptural interpretations, and personal reflections. Whether you're curious about the intermediate state or the ultimate hope of heaven, this discussion offers thoughtful insights and encourages deeper understanding. Ultimately, heaven is not just a place but the presence of Jesus.

Quotes:

"Heaven isn't so much about a place where our longings are satisfied, but it's primarily about a person in whom all of our longings are satisfied." — Jeff Norris
"Contemplation, understanding, and enjoyment of God make up the essence of our future blessedness." — Caleb Click
"The gospel gets us to God, not a place." — Eric Ryan

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "He Descended to the Dead" by Matthew Emerson
Book: "The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story" by Michael Goheen and Craig Bartholomew]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Join us in this episode of Digging Deeper as we explore profound questions about heaven, the afterlife, and the mysteries of Sheol. Hosted by Jeff Norris, with insights from Caleb Click and Eric Ryan, we delve into theological perspectives, scriptural in]]></itunes:subtitle>
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Quotes:

"Heaven isn't so much about a place where our longings are satisfied, but it's primarily about a person in whom all of our longings are satisfied." — Jeff Norris
"Contemplation, understanding, and enjoyment of God make up the essence of our future blessedness." — Caleb Click
"The gospel gets us to God, not a place." — Eric Ryan

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "He Descended to the Dead" by Matthew Emerson
Book: "The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story" by Michael Goheen and Craig Bartholomew]]></content:encoded>
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Quotes:

"Heaven isn't so much about a place where our longings are satisfied, but it's primarily about a person in whom all of our longings are satisfied." — Jeff Norris
"Contemplation, understanding, and enjoyment of God make up the essence of our future blessedness." — Caleb Click
"The gospel gets us to God, not a place." — Eric Ryan

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "He Descended to the Dead" by Matthew Emerson
Book: "The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story" by Michael Goheen and Craig Bartholomew]]></itunes:summary>
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Quotes:

"Heaven isn't so much about a place where our longings are satisfied, but it's primarily about a person in whom all of our longings are satisfied." — Jeff Norris
"Contemplation, understanding, and enjoyment of God make up the essence of our future blessedness." — Caleb Click
"The gospel gets us to God, not a place." — Eric Ryan

Related Resources:

Listen to the "Heaven" sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "He Descended to the Dead" by Matt]]></googleplay:description>
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	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Chasing Truth and Finding Jesus in the Midst of it All</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/chasing-truth-and-finding-jesus-in-the-midst-of-it-all/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2021 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[The Word of God is bigger than we can fathom and the meaning behind scripture can be a mystery. But in the unfolding nature of His Word, we can rest and find joy in knowing there is a lifetime of walking with Him where we can begin to understand Him more and more.

In this episode hosted by Eric Ryan, with insights from Jimmy Kim, Tony Thomas, and Ryan Brown, we delve into the "Chasing Truth" series, discussing the intersection of God's glory and our joy, the significance of the cross, and the transformative power of scripture.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that encourages deeper reflection and spiritual growth.


Related Resources:

Watch or listen to the Chasing Truth sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Desiring God" by John Piper
Book: "Unfolding Mystery" by Ed Clowney]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[The Word of God is bigger than we can fathom and the meaning behind scripture can be a mystery. But in the unfolding nature of His Word, we can rest and find joy in knowing there is a lifetime of walking with Him where we can begin to understand Him more]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Chasing Truth and Finding Jesus in the Midst of it All]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[The Word of God is bigger than we can fathom and the meaning behind scripture can be a mystery. But in the unfolding nature of His Word, we can rest and find joy in knowing there is a lifetime of walking with Him where we can begin to understand Him more and more.

In this episode hosted by Eric Ryan, with insights from Jimmy Kim, Tony Thomas, and Ryan Brown, we delve into the "Chasing Truth" series, discussing the intersection of God's glory and our joy, the significance of the cross, and the transformative power of scripture.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that encourages deeper reflection and spiritual growth.


Related Resources:

Watch or listen to the Chasing Truth sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Desiring God" by John Piper
Book: "Unfolding Mystery" by Ed Clowney]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The Word of God is bigger than we can fathom and the meaning behind scripture can be a mystery. But in the unfolding nature of His Word, we can rest and find joy in knowing there is a lifetime of walking with Him where we can begin to understand Him more and more.

In this episode hosted by Eric Ryan, with insights from Jimmy Kim, Tony Thomas, and Ryan Brown, we delve into the "Chasing Truth" series, discussing the intersection of God's glory and our joy, the significance of the cross, and the transformative power of scripture.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that encourages deeper reflection and spiritual growth.


Related Resources:

Watch or listen to the Chasing Truth sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Desiring God" by John Piper
Book: "Unfolding Mystery" by Ed Clowney]]></itunes:summary>
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In this episode hosted by Eric Ryan, with insights from Jimmy Kim, Tony Thomas, and Ryan Brown, we delve into the "Chasing Truth" series, discussing the intersection of God's glory and our joy, the significance of the cross, and the transformative power of scripture.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that encourages deeper reflection and spiritual growth.


Related Resources:

Watch or listen to the Chasing Truth sermon series at perimeter.org/sermons
Book: "Desiring God" by John Piper
Book: "Unfolding Mystery" by Ed Clowney]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>God’s Unexpected Storyline for the Early Church</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/gods-unexpected-storyline-for-the-early-church/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2021 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[What does it mean to surrender our rights for the sake of the gospel and unity? Jeff Norris, Jimmy Kim, and Caleb Click reflect on the surprising ways God advanced His kingdom through the early Church.

Quotes:

"God—in the way that He's writing the story of the Church and the story of our lives—He's going to often lead us down paths that we wouldn't have anticipated. He's going to lead us into suffering that we would not have chosen, or that we would have said, 'Yeah, that's how I would want this to go or see it going,' and He’s going to call us to things that are hard." — Jeff Norris
"Every now and then I'll be thinking first about my neighbor or thinking first about what really pleases the Lord in (a) situation. But what does it look like if that becomes the norm? That's not the uncommon reality—it's the common reality for me and for every believer. When Jesus said, if you want to be first, you must first be last. He meant that. That was directive. That is how the kingdom of God operates." — Jeff Norris
"Living a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is no doubt going to take you down paths that you wouldn't have chosen. But in doing so, a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is going to lead you into God's saturated realities that you would have otherwise missed. " — Jeff Norris]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[What does it mean to surrender our rights for the sake of the gospel and unity? Jeff Norris, Jimmy Kim, and Caleb Click reflect on the surprising ways God advanced His kingdom through the early Church.

Quotes:

God—in the way that Hes writing the st]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[God’s Unexpected Storyline for the Early Church, with Caleb Click and Jimmy Kim]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[What does it mean to surrender our rights for the sake of the gospel and unity? Jeff Norris, Jimmy Kim, and Caleb Click reflect on the surprising ways God advanced His kingdom through the early Church.

Quotes:

"God—in the way that He's writing the story of the Church and the story of our lives—He's going to often lead us down paths that we wouldn't have anticipated. He's going to lead us into suffering that we would not have chosen, or that we would have said, 'Yeah, that's how I would want this to go or see it going,' and He’s going to call us to things that are hard." — Jeff Norris
"Every now and then I'll be thinking first about my neighbor or thinking first about what really pleases the Lord in (a) situation. But what does it look like if that becomes the norm? That's not the uncommon reality—it's the common reality for me and for every believer. When Jesus said, if you want to be first, you must first be last. He meant that. That was directive. That is how the kingdom of God operates." — Jeff Norris
"Living a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is no doubt going to take you down paths that you wouldn't have chosen. But in doing so, a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is going to lead you into God's saturated realities that you would have otherwise missed. " — Jeff Norris]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[What does it mean to surrender our rights for the sake of the gospel and unity? Jeff Norris, Jimmy Kim, and Caleb Click reflect on the surprising ways God advanced His kingdom through the early Church.

Quotes:

"God—in the way that He's writing the story of the Church and the story of our lives—He's going to often lead us down paths that we wouldn't have anticipated. He's going to lead us into suffering that we would not have chosen, or that we would have said, 'Yeah, that's how I would want this to go or see it going,' and He’s going to call us to things that are hard." — Jeff Norris
"Every now and then I'll be thinking first about my neighbor or thinking first about what really pleases the Lord in (a) situation. But what does it look like if that becomes the norm? That's not the uncommon reality—it's the common reality for me and for every believer. When Jesus said, if you want to be first, you must first be last. He meant that. That was directive. That is how the kingdom of God operates." — Jeff Norris
"Living a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is no doubt going to take you down paths that you wouldn't have chosen. But in doing so, a Spirit-led, Spirit-filled life is going to lead you into God's saturated realities that you would have otherwise missed. " — Jeff Norris]]></itunes:summary>
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Quotes:

"God—in the way that He's writing the story of the Church and the story of our lives—He's going to often lead us down paths that we wouldn't have anticipated. He's going to lead us into suffering that we would not have chosen, or that we would have said, 'Yeah, that's how I would want this to go or see it going,' and He’s going to call us to things that are hard." — Jeff Norris
"Every now and then I'll be thinking first about my neighbor or thinking first about what really pleases the Lord in (a) situation. But what does it look like if that becomes the norm? That's not the uncommon reality—it's the common reality for me and for every believer. When Jesus said, if you want to be first, you must first be last. He meant that. That was directive. That is how the kingdom of G]]></googleplay:description>
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	<title>Practically Applying the Glory of Christ in Our Lives</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/practically-applying-the-glory-of-christ-in-our-lives/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2021 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo explore how beholding Christ’s glory transforms us. When we embrace who He truly is, we are led into joyful worship and spiritual growth.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo explore how beholding Christ’s glory transforms us. When we embrace who He truly is, we are led into joyful worship and spiritual growth.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Practically Applying the Glory of Christ in Our Lives]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo explore how beholding Christ’s glory transforms us. When we embrace who He truly is, we are led into joyful worship and spiritual growth.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo explore how beholding Christ’s glory transforms us. When we embrace who He truly is, we are led into joyful worship and spiritual growth.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>Living Out Titus 3 in America in 2021</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Eric Ryan discuss how to live out Titus 3 in today’s cultural moment. They reflect on themes from the "Salt and Light" series and how grace shapes the way we engage the world around us.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Eric Ryan discuss how to live out Titus 3 in today’s cultural moment. They reflect on themes from the Salt and Light series and how grace shapes the way we engage the world around us.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Living Out Titus 3 in America in 2021]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Eric Ryan discuss how to live out Titus 3 in today’s cultural moment. They reflect on themes from the "Salt and Light" series and how grace shapes the way we engage the world around us.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Eric Ryan discuss how to live out Titus 3 in today’s cultural moment. They reflect on themes from the "Salt and Light" series and how grace shapes the way we engage the world around us.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:duration>43:32</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris and Eric Ryan discuss how to live out Titus 3 in today’s cultural moment. They reflect on themes from the "Salt and Light" series and how grace shapes the way we engage the world around us.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>The Character of God in Exodus</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-character-of-god-in-exodus/</link>
	<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2020 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13632</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[God's mercy meets human misery. Jeff Norris and the team discuss how Exodus reveals God’s heart for the broken and enslaved. He is not repelled by need, but moved to action. In this episode, the team also gives guidance on how to approach studying the Old Testament on your own.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Gods mercy meets human misery. Jeff Norris and the team discuss how Exodus reveals God’s heart for the broken and enslaved. He is not repelled by need, but moved to action. In this episode, the team also gives guidance on how to approach studying the Old]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Character of God in Exodus]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[God's mercy meets human misery. Jeff Norris and the team discuss how Exodus reveals God’s heart for the broken and enslaved. He is not repelled by need, but moved to action. In this episode, the team also gives guidance on how to approach studying the Old Testament on your own.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[God's mercy meets human misery. Jeff Norris and the team discuss how Exodus reveals God’s heart for the broken and enslaved. He is not repelled by need, but moved to action. In this episode, the team also gives guidance on how to approach studying the Old Testament on your own.]]></itunes:summary>
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		<title>The Character of God in Exodus</title>
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	<itunes:duration>25:25</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[God's mercy meets human misery. Jeff Norris and the team discuss how Exodus reveals God’s heart for the broken and enslaved. He is not repelled by need, but moved to action. In this episode, the team also gives guidance on how to approach studying the Old Testament on your own.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>The Gospel in the Book of Exodus</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/the-gospel-in-the-book-of-exodus/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
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	<description><![CDATA[The teaching team explores how the gospel is woven throughout Exodus. Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on how the story of the Redeemer in Exodus points to Jesus and challenges us to connect deeply with Old Testament truths.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[The teaching team explores how the gospel is woven throughout Exodus. Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on how the story of the Redeemer in Exodus points to Jesus and challenges us to connect deeply with Old Testament truths.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[The Gospel in the Book of Exodus, with Caleb Click and Bob Cargo]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[The teaching team explores how the gospel is woven throughout Exodus. Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on how the story of the Redeemer in Exodus points to Jesus and challenges us to connect deeply with Old Testament truths.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[The teaching team explores how the gospel is woven throughout Exodus. Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on how the story of the Redeemer in Exodus points to Jesus and challenges us to connect deeply with Old Testament truths.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:duration>38:10</itunes:duration>
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	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>Exodus, the Gospel of the Old Testament</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/exodus-the-gospel-of-the-old-testament/</link>
	<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13628</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo preview the Exodus sermon series. They consider the Israelites' experience of slavery, God’s faithfulness to His promises, and His desire to be known as the Redeemer of all nations.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo preview the Exodus sermon series. They consider the Israelites experience of slavery, God’s faithfulness to His promises, and His desire to be known as the Redeemer of all nations.]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Exodus, the Gospel of the Old Testament]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo preview the Exodus sermon series. They consider the Israelites' experience of slavery, God’s faithfulness to His promises, and His desire to be known as the Redeemer of all nations.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo preview the Exodus sermon series. They consider the Israelites' experience of slavery, God’s faithfulness to His promises, and His desire to be known as the Redeemer of all nations.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Exodus, the Gospel of the Old Testament</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>32:50</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo preview the Exodus sermon series. They consider the Israelites' experience of slavery, God’s faithfulness to His promises, and His desire to be known as the Redeemer of all nations.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Imago Dei, Part 3 with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/imago-dei-part-3/</link>
	<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13626</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on the key themes of the nine-week "Imago Dei" sermon series and how it has shaped their understanding of God and humanity.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on the key themes of the nine-week Imago Dei sermon series and how it has shaped their understanding of God and humanity.]]></itunes:subtitle>
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	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Imago Dei, Part 3, with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click]]></itunes:title>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on the key themes of the nine-week "Imago Dei" sermon series and how it has shaped their understanding of God and humanity.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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		<title>Imago Dei, Part 3 with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click</title>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>31:45</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Caleb Click, and Bob Cargo reflect on the key themes of the nine-week "Imago Dei" sermon series and how it has shaped their understanding of God and humanity.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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<item>
	<title>Imago Dei, Part 2 with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/imago-dei-part-2/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13624</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Bob Cargo, and Caleb Click continue the "Imago Dei" series, discussing how the fall affected our identity as image-bearers of God. They connect this theological foundation to the Great Commission in Matthew 28 and its implications for our relationships with God, others, ourselves, and creation.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Bob Cargo, and Caleb Click continue the Imago Dei series, discussing how the fall affected our identity as image-bearers of God. They connect this theological foundation to the Great Commission in Matthew 28 and its implication]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Imago Dei, Part 2, with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Bob Cargo, and Caleb Click continue the "Imago Dei" series, discussing how the fall affected our identity as image-bearers of God. They connect this theological foundation to the Great Commission in Matthew 28 and its implications for our relationships with God, others, ourselves, and creation.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Bob Cargo, and Caleb Click continue the "Imago Dei" series, discussing how the fall affected our identity as image-bearers of God. They connect this theological foundation to the Great Commission in Matthew 28 and its implications for our relationships with God, others, ourselves, and creation.]]></itunes:summary>
	<itunes:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></itunes:image>
	<image>
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	<itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>32:09</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris, Bob Cargo, and Caleb Click continue the "Imago Dei" series, discussing how the fall affected our identity as image-bearers of God. They connect this theological foundation to the Great Commission in Matthew 28 and its implications for our relationships with God, others, ourselves, and creation.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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	<title>Imago Dei, Part 1 with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click</title>
	<link>https://www.perimeter.org/podcast/imago-dei-part-1/</link>
	<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
	<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></dc:creator>
	<guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.perimeter.org/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=13622</guid>
	<description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris joins Perimeter teaching team members Bob Cargo and Caleb Click to preview the "Imago Dei" sermon series. They explore how the biblical truth that all humans bear God's image calls the Church to pursue the flourishing of every person and all creation.]]></description>
	<itunes:subtitle><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris joins Perimeter teaching team members Bob Cargo and Caleb Click to preview the Imago Dei sermon series. They explore how the biblical truth that all humans bear Gods image calls the Church to pursue the flourishing of every pers]]></itunes:subtitle>
	<itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
	<itunes:title><![CDATA[Imago Dei, Part 1, with Bob Cargo and Caleb Click]]></itunes:title>
	<content:encoded><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris joins Perimeter teaching team members Bob Cargo and Caleb Click to preview the "Imago Dei" sermon series. They explore how the biblical truth that all humans bear God's image calls the Church to pursue the flourishing of every person and all creation.]]></content:encoded>
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	<itunes:summary><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris joins Perimeter teaching team members Bob Cargo and Caleb Click to preview the "Imago Dei" sermon series. They explore how the biblical truth that all humans bear God's image calls the Church to pursue the flourishing of every person and all creation.]]></itunes:summary>
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	<itunes:block>no</itunes:block>
	<itunes:duration>29:46</itunes:duration>
	<itunes:author><![CDATA[Jeff Norris]]></itunes:author>	<googleplay:description><![CDATA[Senior Pastor Jeff Norris joins Perimeter teaching team members Bob Cargo and Caleb Click to preview the "Imago Dei" sermon series. They explore how the biblical truth that all humans bear God's image calls the Church to pursue the flourishing of every person and all creation.]]></googleplay:description>
	<googleplay:image href="https://www.perimeter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/DD_WEB2023_v1.png"></googleplay:image>
	<googleplay:explicit>No</googleplay:explicit>
	<googleplay:block>no</googleplay:block>
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